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[106.69.106.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z1sm171461pgz.94.2021.04.21.12.44.55 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:44:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <87pmyuyssi.fsf@gmail.com> <87eef4hs9o.fsf@gmail.com> <467d556f-f0fa-018f-99c6-54fb748ab451@gmx.at> <1c557c0e35e04440ba2dadfe57e5b590@VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <878s5bojie.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> User-agent: mu4e 1.5.11; emacs 28.0.50 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 05:35:25 +1000 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <878s5bifrf.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::536; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x536.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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At the very least, it is a good place to start. Perhaps it would be worthwhile if everyone interested in this issue have a look at what is on worg about contributing and propose some additions/updates? Responding to essentially just flag you have seen the patch message really only adds noise and may even 'drown out' those responses which add real 'value' to any discussion. I also doubt that asking people to do this would actually result in any actual change of behaviour by subscribers. -- Tim Cross