From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id EEP6GytJhmAm5AAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:01:31 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id 6JnUFytJhmBnYAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 05:01:31 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D215E2B89E for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:01:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:42680 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1latNB-0002Eo-8C for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:01:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1latMB-0002Ef-G5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:00:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1latMA-0004nC-Uu; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:00:26 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e34:ec2b:7150:fbd9:45e9:9270:4ceb] (port=60626 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1latM6-0002lo-N1; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:00:26 -0400 Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1FE331A610A7; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:00:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support In-Reply-To: <87a6pl6f3d.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:23:12 +1000") References: <87pmyuyssi.fsf@gmail.com> <87v98b0yvm.fsf@gnu.org> <87lf96uagf.fsf@gmail.com> <87r1iyg7bm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6pl6f3d.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:00:21 +0200 Message-ID: <878s5563oa.fsf@bzg.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619413291; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=oCx+3D0KNAlcIuaSy7W8Z0RHmBoocYImoNY1rtEzvig=; b=aQ0hry8Bzzd5KGzCS8Vudlu9je4fG+WvuoRCVumWWiQsm+fb/Nt1Qz5lDxPR8D+KsooW97 28caXwZs/Ozc9DTJUGEp5983s+GyXeFkiVlGAP1HRePzdtD8btfiGp6OL7Z1Gsso8Lkule JRDfknXck3lS74+XOQHsNDL+n+z1IYKoAf8cPiXqRgpLlfA5XOwltA/dfvvV8VSNNrRawt T8WH6roYPbpcRE9+xuskA0bXimQf97kBF3jMOcLZ+wfguYUh1YPWBOXyBaEqSi1vMF5/YA ve69/0gQMAN4jHxT3nJQiK37K9BjN70gyWO8A+QXwwfsUNg/Czih+euw9NAfJg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619413291; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=N36nOZi/O2Bk8na1hPL65dZ8fabKt8q6/MvRblfi185rvXYJ055clkgiAcX/uYVTU1C5R6 tKiz/73YRIKKt13WwdnPGTfuBvy+aSFpuAGLzkciuks2v2kqRz2Go0u3z+vuUUDmI+sbww FkL2SiHKffnkH7PyTQtQeAXakQd+CEX6ydw+JoK4fbEa17+kftXiGWHKlCBg1HXhu+oWME 8cfMfLHaPIwMMtTWEoKMGzhFKeH+NMcEqyII/1M/dcFStyXELxCi4IUDjvnuRP1qGeb7ZG twE68i7rGyWiBzTlmleZjPaBmHiiWKMxi0iiGObi041nDuTGp12QKUE/idODuw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.44 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D215E2B89E X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: sDLQqEVQ+oyB Hi Tim, thank you very much for your detailed answer. Tim Cross writes: > Yes, but with some caveats. Thank you! > For these reasons, I'm probably not the best person to assist with the > review and guidance for patches aimed at adding/extending functionality. The role of a "contributor steward" is to address the issues Timothy originally raised about contributors not receiving answers when they take the time to send a patch or a bug report, it is not about making technical decisions. Of course, your advice as a long-time user on these decisions is always very welcome. > However, I would be happy to > > - Assist in trying to reproduce and confirm bugs > - Assist in extracting additional information and providing > guidance/clarification for bug reports > - Assist with documentation > - Provide some guidance on patches, particularly bug fixes. That's exactly what is badly needed to discharge core maintainers from routine tasks and to let them focus on technical stuff. This has basically been my role in my early years of maintainership: making sure to keep this list as welcoming as possible, to continue to attract new people with new ideas (and new bug report). This is a somewhat undervalued role, but a deeply necessary one -- so again, thanks for helping here. > My time availability can vary greatly depending on work. That's no problem. We have a team of Tim's :) > Also, as a > blind user, my ability to reproduce bugs can sometimes be hampered by > the necessity of running Emacspeak in conjunction with org mode (they > can sometimes interfere with each other). However, apart from that, more > than happy to help where I can, so if your happy, sign me up! If the task becomes too much for you, you can always say that you won't be available for a while. Thanks!