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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1644477543; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=9O5GeY39bhruVSsy6mNayUgd3T2FefGjujt1x37sTAE=; b=CzjOYTYHpdpjv5ecMusDzssgaTy7VFU47tU3cKZ/EBPSnRj/f24kFnKq0FqAvms7lpny1L 7h5nAySAYRv9ujuz9np3XQrOyNZOl5IYU0a1IvPNfDGqImdn7z3Ijwc7JWkcqpVRgbBukq qTTNa5fgrh0w/rYuMJX3xUBz64d0AnAEeQR1orXuWOkZh3Qpv6qHU/Qqn87SSmQODI6pw+ 3akcyxQH5Nr1REylzwRNHB5hY/++5FYt/tKpbgparHcSSJy6ECU1SEbGCi9ktMXpQpCkcl gew6TODoRVCUNjY4HEoZe6AuTajicsPFDYeQbL1MvJL/rLxScgtvvFt8A6bt8A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1644477543; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hShktNwTwpEtZSmvsxgY6rrC8WLaOftN73RAvAYvA/wEWcfjhJ4Fy1Q/wG67u3jR73s0kK QrKbAXE2GxA1eYRTgKfyGGUbpkxLHfTu0ap3mzOnWvQgeKBFAaWiaJFs7xyQ963fFidvA5 tMBZj25ZQRULW6gvqxKxZ5w0cYAHJr4JhtZ1eaJLQ0tAZG0uZKaMoZyQ9nOWH4/B3ZhT0F iFGaEnsIAciCdEzHftE5BfJ+9JtfenJsh/6YrsUIYEm2Dok7XG3bXgiCSiAsaCRrmiCbF+ LkxGMsLkcH6JfxCmlTYY8bBkZVioamg+j1M8zf1dXAf5qhpf0ymRA79nzYGC/g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.53 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E07293E03A X-Spam-Score: -3.53 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 5ITQWcmAol2L "Cook, Malcolm" writes: >>(use-package org >>:ensure org-contrib) > > I believe `:ensure org-contrib` is no longer needed. Well, I would need it if I actually wanted anything from org-contrib, but I really have to check whether this is still the case. > I tend to use the org-mode from the package manager, but do not do it interactively from within emacs. Instead, which when I want to refresh org, I do from the command line: > > emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org))" Is that necessary? Can't I just use the package manager to update Org along with any other packages? Or does the issue about not visiting and .org file before installing via the package manager apply to updates too? > Also, early in my init.el, as extra level of precaution against getting the built-in org-mode, I ensure it never gets loaded: > (require 'cl-seq) (delete (car (cl-member "lisp/org" load-path :test #'string-match)) load-path) Interesting, although I would generally want at least some version of Org even if a more recent version is installed but somehow broken. >> >>I moved the old-plus-contrig ELPA folder out the way. However, I now >>just get the built-in version of Org: >> >>Org mode version 9.3 (release_9.3 @ /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/org/) >> >>Is this a problem use-package has with built-in packages, as described here >> >>https://github.com/jwiegley/use-package/issues/319 >> >>? Or am I doing something wrong? Or do I just need to install via M-x >>list-packages (bearing in mind the caveat about not visiting an org file >>beforehand)? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Loris >> >>-- >>This signature is currently under construction. >>