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In-Reply-To: <86y1ubdmrm.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Fri, 23 Sep 2022 09:07:12 +1000") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ubdmrm.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 08:47:12 +0200 Message-ID: <878rmawpsf.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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I believe this is real plague for the Free Software movement. Many projects use Slack, Discord, other unfair services or private IM applications for "collaboration", while pretending to be inclusive by just throwing a code of conduct. I cannot predict the future but I sure hope mailing lists and IRC will keep being functional for another 50 years (for emails) and 35 years (for IRC). I'm glad we have https://list.orgmode.org (thanks to Eric Wong's https://public-inbox.org/README.html and Kyle's servers) and that people at SourceHut are putting efforts in making IRC more usable: https://sourcehut.org/blog/2021-11-29-announcing-the-chat.sr.ht-public-beta/ -- Bastien