From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id yGVHEpWRlGPJKwAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:03:01 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id 0P5QEpWRlGNjYAAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:03:01 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBBF7252C1 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:03:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40R1-0008E5-TL; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40Qb-0008Ai-1T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:02:16 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p40QW-00011M-U7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 09:02:08 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEA4D240106 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:02:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1670680922; bh=iE/loLF1nT7uop82WEck0qakh6QAgKhg5wgIM+X47F4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ciTUpycEuCFAwHh/BNYmX+NeLzlZDxdu5ZbZpjMJchucKRja4gDVsHFFOg7BrK96I WRSfc2IJ4Z9yMx6jj7cXT455hU8sPRGIZfdGegpgvRDfiWm8qQZiIB+eUGRdNpOVY0 r21RKBhXDr2wCjq3kvU95zMryz5UrIzSrDQWdCRAvAzIXu2uyGDZxUJzRIuq8IdqA/ Ei0XsiUDWGyd3svaqHIORc5i2EJF4mc1+uwa3j0XwqADsysm1iXkOgk3oi8HRbkg3q VxMmRZBIvvpI9cAGhgpW/vbWeC/Ob+G9lfY7DyVFYkdT/QAGx0c4IZxYTOZ8G5hsry QTQ1ZTFt3DX/w== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NTqMF6dqnz9rxS; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:01:59 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: David Masterson , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem In-Reply-To: <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 14:01:58 +0000 Message-ID: <878rjfs6g9.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Is this the first time you see that a Help > command loads something to do its job? Please note that David's recipe is _not_ what I described in the bug report. I am referring to the problem people run into when using M-x package-install. AFAIU, package-install must not depend on the older version of a package being loaded/not loaded. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at