From: Ihor Radchenko <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: Zelphir Kaltstahl <email@example.com>
Cc: Bruno Barbier <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
email@example.com, Bastien <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] Inconsistent global/local :var assignments in ob-* for lisps and non-lisps (was: org-babel guile source block bug in handling multiple values)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:58:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rg3y5he.fsf@localhost> (raw)
Zelphir Kaltstahl <email@example.com> writes:
> The issue is not with defining via (define ...) inside a (let ...) in Guile. It
> is about importing macros at the time, when the body of the (let ...) is already
> evaluated, which is at a later phase than macro expansion. By wrapping inside a
> (let ...) org has moved the import to a later phase, which causes the macro
> (let-values ...) to not be expanded.
AFAIK, Elisp does not have this problem.
> As far as I know, (defun ...) and (defvar ...) are merely defining functions and
> variables, not macros.
Same for defmacro in Elisp.
> My point is, that imports are usually global for sessions. But :var decided for
> let-wrapping, moving them to a different place. Just like imports are usually
> global, I would expect (define ...)s to be global in the session, unless I put
> them inside a narrowed scope like a (let ...) myself. The org generated (let
> ...) is invisible to the user and thus confusing, at least for GNU Guile.
> For other Schemes it probably all depends on how their phases of expansion and
> evaluation work. I don't know enough about the Scheme standards, to tell,
> whether Guile has the correct behavior here or whether there is a correct
> behavior defined in the Scheme standards. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can
> chime in to comment on that.
When saying Guile I mean scheme. Remember that I am now looking from a
more general perspective of other ob-* libraries.
My conclusion so far is that it is not safe in ob-scheme to use
let-binding. Other ob-* lisp implementations may be OK (at least,
ob-emacs-lisp is OK).
Now, the main question is whether it is safe to use `define' in all the
scheme implementations. If it is, would you be interested in turning
your personal fix into a patch for ob-scheme?
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-11 9:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-07 11:27 org-babel guile source block bug in handling multiple values Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-07 14:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-07 15:18 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-07 19:52 ` Bruno Barbier
2023-03-08 0:55 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-08 19:38 ` Bruno Barbier
2023-03-09 0:44 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-09 13:04 ` [BUG] Inconsistent global/local :var assignments in ob-* for lisps and non-lisps (was: org-babel guile source block bug in handling multiple values) Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 10:39 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-11 9:58 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-03-11 18:30 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-12 11:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-19 13:50 ` [PATCH] lisp/ob-scheme.el Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-22 10:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-25 14:34 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-26 9:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-25 12:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-29 11:08 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-09 13:10 ` org-babel guile source block bug in handling multiple values Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 10:42 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-11 10:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-06-02 13:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09 13:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09 14:21 ` Daniel Kraus
2023-03-10 11:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 10:45 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-08 1:13 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2023-03-08 8:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-07 15:44 ` Max Nikulin
2023-03-07 21:41 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
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