From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:50 +0100 Message-ID: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9kTX-0005aW-4r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:09:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9kTS-0005a3-Ju for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:09:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37376 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N9kTS-0005a0-Gp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:09:22 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:35593) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N9kTR-0002x5-Ri for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:09:22 -0500 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Emacs-orgmode mailing list Hi, the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark background. Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the results: What do you think? How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? Sebastian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:04:30 +0100 Message-ID: <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1G5-0007Uk-CB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:04:41 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Fz-0007UA-L4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:04:40 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58233 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Fz-0007U7-Ff for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:04:35 -0500 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.145]:51246) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA1Fy-0007IT-Qk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:04:35 -0500 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so1794820eyh.34 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:04:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list Hi Sebastian, can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? - Carsten On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Hi, > > > the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark > background. > > Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax > highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use > #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. > > > I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change > makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported > HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original > styles in > place, to see the results: > > > > > > > What do you think? > > How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? > > > > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:15:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1R4-0004UT-Fb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:16:02 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Qy-0004Q5-CP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:16:00 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45167 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Qy-0004Q1-0B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:15:56 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:39931) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA1Qx-0000pM-HP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:15:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> (Carsten Dominik's message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:04:30 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi Sebastian, > > can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? > > - Carsten Yes - sorry. http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls Sebsatian > > On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark >> background. >> >> Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax >> highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use >> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. >> >> >> I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change >> makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported >> HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original styles in >> place, to see the results: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? >> >> >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sebastian Rose Fachinformatiker / Anwendungsentwicklung Viktoriastr. 22 Entwicklung von Anwendungen mit freien Werkzeugen 30451 Hannover und Bibliotheken. 0173 83 93 417 sebastian_rose@gmx.de s.rose@emma-stil.de ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Greg Newman Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:17:19 -0500 Message-ID: <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0255812119==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Sk-00057U-2t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:17:46 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Sf-00055C-7h for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:17:45 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45213 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA1Se-000559-U6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:17:40 -0500 Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com ([209.85.216.192]:45330) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA1Se-0001AD-Fd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:17:40 -0500 Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so3590262pxi.14 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:17:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik --===============0255812119== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502f55271683004787cd511 --00504502f55271683004787cd511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: > > Hi Sebastian, > > > > can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? > > > > - Carsten > > Yes - sorry. > > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls > > > > Sebsatian > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark > >> background. > >> > >> Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax > >> highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use > >> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. > >> > >> > >> I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change > >> makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported > >> HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original styles in > >> place, to see the results: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> What do you think? > >> > >> How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? > >> > >> > >> > >> Sebastian > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list > >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > - Carsten > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sebastian Rose Fachinformatiker / Anwendungsentwicklung > Viktoriastr. 22 Entwicklung von Anwendungen mit freien Werkzeugen > 30451 Hannover und Bibliotheken. > > 0173 83 93 417 sebastian_rose@gmx.de s.rose@emma-stil.de > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > --00504502f55271683004787cd511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de= > wrote:
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> w= rites:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? >
> - Carsten

Yes - sorry.

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-= protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls



=C2=A0Sebsatian



>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> the colors on org= mode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
>> background.
>>
>> Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syn= tax
>> highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use >> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
>>
>>
>> I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple ch= ange
>> makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an export= ed
>> HTML file, just before the `</head>' tag and keep the or= iginal styles in
>> place, to see the results:
>>
>>
>> <style type=3D"text/css">
>> pre {
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0background-color:#333333;
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0color:white;
>> }
>> </pre>
>>
>> These are just the changed values.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
>> background for all code.
>>
>>
>>
>> As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that = we
>> keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we woul= d keep
>> the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the backgr= ound to be
>> slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just bef= ore
>> the `</head>' tag and keep the original styles in place,= to see the
>> results:
>>
>>
>> <style type=3D"text/css">
>>
>> pre {
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0/* only the changed values for <pre> again */ >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0background-color:#fafafa;
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system= : */
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0font-size:110%;
>> }
>>
>>
>> .org-string =C2=A0 { color:#BC2020; }
>> .org-builtin =C2=A0{ color:#5C2659; }
>> .org-keyword =C2=A0{ color:#5C128A; }
>> .org-doc =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{ color:#754C4C; }
>> .org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
>>
>> .org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
>> .org-function-name { color:#0000CC; }
>>
>> </style>
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
>>
>>
>>
>> =C2=A0Sebastian
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org=
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> - Carsten
>
>

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sebastian =C2=A0Rose =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Fachinformatiker / Anwendungsentwi= cklung
Viktoriastr. 22 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Entwicklung von Anwendungen mit freien = Werkzeugen
30451 =C2=A0Hannover =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0und Bibliotheken.

0173 =C2=A083 93 417 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sebastian_rose@gmx.de =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 s.rose@emma-stil.de
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--00504502f55271683004787cd511-- --===============0255812119== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0255812119==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA3wt-0007Xd-IN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:57:03 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA3wo-0007WM-TL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:57:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53580 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA3wo-0007WJ-O1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:56:58 -0500 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]:53681) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA3wo-00031Q-5J for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:56:58 -0500 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so1836565eyh.34 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:56:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? >> >> - Carsten > > Yes - sorry. > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls I sort-of see what you mean, but in fact these are the standard Emacs colors for a white background. I can make a CSS with black background colors if that is what is wanted, or I will consider CSS made by someone better at this stuff than I am. Basically, define your faces and then execute org-export-htmlize- generate-css - Carsten > > > > Sebsatian > > > >> >> On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark >>> background. >>> >>> Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with >>> syntax >>> highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use >>> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. >>> >>> >>> I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple >>> change >>> makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported >>> HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original >>> styles in >>> place, to see the results: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> - Carsten >> >> > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Sebastian Rose Fachinformatiker / Anwendungsentwicklung > Viktoriastr. 22 Entwicklung von Anwendungen mit freien Werkzeugen > 30451 Hannover und Bibliotheken. > > 0173 83 93 417 sebastian_rose@gmx.de s.rose@emma-stil.de > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Carsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:43:55 +0100 Message-ID: <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA7bg-0002Gy-SL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:51:24 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NA7bc-0002Dg-21 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:51:24 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47183 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NA7bb-0002DV-Rm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:51:19 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:59825) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NA7bb-0004O4-3T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:51:19 -0500 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Greg Newman Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik Greg Newman writes: > On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose wr= ote: My monitor is not calibrated, but I see all the 1's on http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/572427/display/3843090 so the contrast is good enough. I just installed lprof and tried to improve the calibration of my monitor (which I never had problems with, BTW). But I couldn't enter the monitor values for "Wei=C3=9Fpunkt" (`white point' ???) and "Grundfarben" (`basic colors' ??), because I did not know what to enter there. "Set Gamma and Black Point" seems not to work correct (according to photos I see on the net like the one mentioned above). When I load a photo for Scanner calibration, the image is distorted - so I don't really know why to trust that program =3D> uninstalled it again. There are other programs for calibration, but I don't have colorimeter at hand. And I don't know anyone who owns such a thing. I don't know many people, who use calibrated monitors by the way. Just a few people doing graphics - and even they don't own a colorimeter. It is a tiny little bit better with bigger fonts (in Opera I see heavier font - in FF the Courier font is very light - might be a bug), or. I think we should make it readable for everyone, right? And we should make as close to the optimum as possible. Here is what I see on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/44727594@N04/4109090241/in/set-721576228169077= 22/=20 I see this lack of contrast on different hardware, too: - Lenovo 500 + Ubuntu 9.04/Windows Vista Business, - IYAMA 4 years old attached to a P4 with Debian and NVIDIA driver > >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> > Hi Sebastian, >> > >> > can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable? >> > >> > - Carsten >> >> Yes - sorry. >> >> >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritt= en-urls >> >> >> >> Sebsatian >> >> >> >> > >> > On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark >> >> background. >> >> >> >> Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax >> >> highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use >> >> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead. >> >> >> >> >> >> I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change >> >> makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported >> >> HTML file, just before the `' tag and keep the original styles= in >> >> place, to see the results: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > >> > - Carsten >> > >> > Sebastian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rick Moynihan Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAA8y-0008VK-DV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:33:56 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAA8t-0008SP-Cu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:33:55 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33143 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAA8t-0008SJ-3s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:33:51 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]:37645) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NAA8s-00037z-Gl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:33:50 -0500 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so6355305bwz.26 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:33:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik 2009/11/16 Sebastian Rose : > Greg Newman writes: >> On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose w= rote: > > > My monitor is not calibrated, but I see all the 1's on > http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/572427/display/3843090 so the > contrast is good enough. > > I just installed lprof and tried to improve the calibration of my > monitor (which I never had problems with, BTW). But I couldn't enter the > monitor values for "Wei=DFpunkt" (`white point' ???) and "Grundfarben" > (`basic colors' ??), because I did not know what to enter there. "Set > Gamma and Black Point" seems not to work correct (according to photos I > see on the net like the one mentioned above). When I load a photo for > Scanner calibration, the image is distorted - so I don't really know why > to trust that program =3D> uninstalled it again. > > There are other programs for calibration, but I don't have colorimeter > at hand. And I don't know anyone who owns such a thing. > > I don't know many people, who use calibrated monitors by the way. Just a > few people doing graphics - and even they don't own a colorimeter. > > > It is a tiny little bit better with bigger fonts (in Opera I see heavier > font - in FF the Courier font is very light - might be a bug), or. > > I think we should make it readable for everyone, right? And we should > make as close to the optimum as possible. > > Here is what I see on =A0flickr: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/44727594@N04/4109090241/in/set-7215762281690= 7722/ For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too. Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source code blocks etc... #+STYLE: Having a darker background colour for source code and example blocks seems like the sensible thing to do. R. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:31:04 +0000 Message-ID: <877htp2h47.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> Reply-To: e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NARu0-0003NW-0E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:31:40 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NARtv-0003Lm-IA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:31:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38441 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NARtv-0003LZ-BB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:31:35 -0500 Received: from vscane-b.ucl.ac.uk ([144.82.108.141]:57588) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NARtu-0002Wj-Aa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:31:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rick Moynihan Cc: list , Emacs-orgmode, Carsten Dominik At Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0000, Rick Moynihan wrote: > For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too. > Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also > found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour > theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source > code blocks etc... > > #+STYLE: I have a similar problem. The following org-mode snippet: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- #+begin_src sh echo <8--- generates, upon HTML export, the following code: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
echo <<EOF
  This is some input
EOF
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- The problem with this is that I find the yellow (ffff00 colour) illegible on almost every monitor I use. However, there is no class nor id that I can adjust a style for the relevant span elements. Even if I define some CSS for the src or src-sh classes, these will be overridden in the spans. The HTML styles for the spans are hard-coded in, it would appear. Or maybe there is something I can configure somewhere? I will have a look at the export code later when I get a chance... From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:43 +0100 Message-ID: <878we5dni0.fsf@gmx.de> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> <877htp2h47.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAScu-0004Oc-BY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:18:04 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAScp-0004Lv-RS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:18:03 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50346 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAScp-0004Lq-Hv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:17:59 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:56001) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NASco-0002Ri-LE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:17:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <877htp2h47.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. Fraga's message of "Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:31:04 +0000") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik Eric S Fraga writes: > At Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0000, > Rick Moynihan wrote: >> For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too. >> Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also >> found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour >> theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source >> code blocks etc... >> >> #+STYLE: > > I have a similar problem. The following org-mode snippet: > > > #+begin_src sh > echo < This is some input > EOF > #+end_src > > generates, upon HTML export, the following code: > > >
echo <<EOF
>   This is some input
> EOF
> 
> > The problem with this is that I find the yellow (ffff00 colour) > illegible on almost every monitor I use. However, there is no class > nor id that I can adjust a style for the relevant span elements. Even > if I define some CSS for the src or src-sh classes, these will be > overridden in the spans. The HTML styles for the spans are hard-coded > in, it would appear. Or maybe there is something I can configure > somewhere? > > I will have a look at the export code later when I get a chance... M-x customize-variable RET org-export-htmlize-output-type RET Set it to `CSS' Sebastian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:03:43 +0000 Message-ID: <87einxezxs.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> <877htp2h47.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> <878we5dni0.fsf@gmx.de> Reply-To: Eric S Fraga Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NATLG-0000fI-L0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:03:54 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NATLB-0000eg-AT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:03:53 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58791 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NATLB-0000ed-4p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:03:49 -0500 Received: from vscane-b.ucl.ac.uk ([144.82.108.141]:58049) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NATLA-0002d3-HW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:03:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <878we5dni0.fsf@gmx.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastian Rose Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik At Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:43 +0100, Sebastian Rose wrote: [...] > M-x customize-variable RET org-export-htmlize-output-type RET > > > Set it to `CSS' Sigh. When will I ever learn. If I think something should be possible in org-mode, it's already there! Thanks for the pointer and it works perfectly (of course)! eric From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rick Moynihan Subject: Re: Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:16:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <873a4fvc59.fsf@gmx.de> <28BB9C80-9659-4551-AF90-F0F5D15906A2@gmail.com> <87hbsur4ow.fsf@gmx.de> <71454fac0911160517l3bf8031fn27a666e30c2623c9@mail.gmail.com> <877htq45bh.fsf@gmx.de> <877htp2h47.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> <878we5dni0.fsf@gmx.de> <87einxezxs.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NATZL-0008Mj-KE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:18:27 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NATZG-0008MH-CO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:18:26 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46766 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NATZG-0008ME-4I for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:18:22 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]:62000) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NATZF-0004wR-19 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:18:21 -0500 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so357157bwz.26 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:18:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87einxezxs.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric S Fraga Cc: Emacs-orgmode mailing list , Carsten Dominik 2009/11/17 Eric S Fraga : > At Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:43 +0100, > Sebastian Rose wrote: > > [...] > >> =A0 M-x customize-variable RET org-export-htmlize-output-type RET >> >> >> Set it to `CSS' > > > > Sigh. =A0When will I ever learn. =A0If I think something should be > possible in org-mode, it's already there! > But at least by asking you educate us all :-) > Thanks for the pointer and it works perfectly (of course)! > > eric R.