From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: We're doing it wrong. [WAS]: Zip utility on Windows for ODT exporter Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:13:33 +0200 Message-ID: <877gk9j5pu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46861) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UQM0M-0003RR-FO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:13:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UQM0H-0005g5-CA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:13:50 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UQM0G-0005fs-Oz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:13:45 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UQM0F-00080m-KW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:13:43 +0200 Received: from pd9eb404e.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.64.78]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:13:43 +0200 Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb404e.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:13:43 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Loyall, David writes: >> Then practically all programs are uncivilized, especially when >> considering that dynamic libraries are just another form of external >> executables. > > Yes. But would you grant me that this is done in a more orderly > fashion? It may appear that way, but the closer you get to the details the fuzzier it looks. >> You'd need an audited system if you want to take it that far, I'm not >> sure anybody has tried to do this on Windows and is still outside the >> asylum. The only practical way seems to deliver the reproducible >> research as a VM (yes, that has other problems). > > Yeah, I've thought about that a little bit. > > I heard somebody say the other day that according to some survey, x > percent of people don't know the difference between a search engine > and a browser. Would they know the difference between an application > and a VM that auto-starts an application? ...If you just change the > title bar of Virtualbox to say "Emacs" instead... Would anyone with an Android phone know that they actually run multiple instances of some sort of VM? Do they need to? Emacs also is a VM when looked at in the right perspective. I'd think that people are getting used to such layers of abstraction by now and shrug it off as long as it does what they want. > I wrote ~2200 characters on this subject, just now, but then I stashed > it away rather than present it here before asking: has this been > proposed before? What was the outcome? Not sure what exactly you mean, but if you want to help out CERN with doing some analysis on their data, they'll have you download a VM and run their code from inside that without touching the rest of your system. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ DIY Stuff: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/DIY.html