From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id WIciIXel9V7kawAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:36:23 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id IEsOHXel9V6VHAAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:36:23 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36391940657 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1joiuM-0002bj-6K for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:36:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1joiqy-0007AX-EI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:32:52 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:38623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1joiqv-0008JJ-US for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 03:32:52 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66425E000D; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:32:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Shankar Rao Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add mode for automatically unhiding emphasis markers in the current region References: <877dvzwtdy.fsf@kyleam.com> <87d05rcpgh.fsf@gmail.com> <871rm6wson.fsf@kyleam.com> <87mu4svaj9.fsf@gmail.com> <87lfkctqkl.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Shankar Rao , Gustavo Barros , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:32:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Shankar Rao's message of "Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:34:31 +0200") Message-ID: <877dvus2mx.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.196; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay4-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/26 03:32:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Gustavo Barros Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.01 X-TUID: 697KOcPwj0yR Hello, Shankar Rao writes: > I agree that if org-emphasize handled marker visibility states in a DWIM > fashion, then a user should not need to display them, but why do you > believe they shouldn't have the opportunity, especially given that this is > the exact behavior of prettify-symbols-mode? I wrote my message in a hurry. Let me clarify it. I'm only talking about built-in tooling. I don't mind if a user have the feature you're proposing, of course, as it is not wrong per se. However, I believe that's not the best solution for the problem we're trying to solve. I think there's an opportunity to provide something smarter, and less intrusive, to handle emphasis, which doesn't involve messing with `post-command-hook'. > Could you walk me through, in your proposed DWIM system, how a user should > be able to remove or change emphasis markers after they are rendered and > hidden? Like in a word processor, you don't need to see the markers to operate on them. I don't think the usual "toggle" model is appropriate, however. I suggest to use two commands: one for deleting the markers around point or within active region, and one for inserting markers or extending existing ones. Allow me to polish up my draft a bit, so we can compare the benefits of each system. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou