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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625751862; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=vl4BerL64yTTxqYKHoswes5dbxSu1OxEnNWqS3gYqgw=; b=oSmjP1R/p8mJeVqlkunc5mvHGXP1NuSuzi758oFdjIL3qtVrwQg+rshY9Kfj3Y0JwGB3FQ /gmKu913LnQfSPx/PebHx8+MOpEIqOjhLPsagudhr4RvCyuxHCn0T2JKDsCOOwmpOvr8ru /LwRtEr9I29yzEOOJipBcKmE2MQQ8l95txtqqEdqLa9yCaGNTUski1cZ7akOP2p541OQkn MA18B8n2NcP7/RO4FVjHhFjs7aAG24h71yaVpBB4t+5cPcGPov9kXIWfWBsIxeKDAo3ZvS CRGUAX1dW+ufxHqsuH/CI1tjNDOK/FsnlFtYA6ShTpKzVYOvxlvQOM6bPhklZQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625751862; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Lh1cX0XORXrCnb1whRC3/pHQar7C/RSGnF7DrDpKvc1lFISSiRtY/bLunydmx/oA65uDHM RSQWXsMZdzVaLcDAIgWRB9haSyklx7J25O1GzfI0tIm+Nrzrxrkmx827tEybArtvoi/MUT O0zZl7WKz8Uj+qmpta0a75lriSjtibvRgULrhvpAV2NesfWl+x7oY49FPys3VRHsTrCYSS EyRT5h1xlpK59JWk1pP8RNnA6eC+LRlyoxKxyC93nbZ9enU3rdga1bRtv7zNLdT/ac7fTJ QFSwRLSGYYSWJx9bgG4ciE+RUmLiT+dcfNIWMQr8lu19BKkfpp+AT+NeInD2mg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Z6iuzcPm; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.69 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Z6iuzcPm; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2DE38989F X-Spam-Score: 0.69 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: GJQJqNUM8mV3 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nicolas, > At this point, I don=E2=80=99t have enough understanding of the problem t= o have > an opinion. IIUC, your example does not even mention citations. How > should it be used, what should be the output in LaTeX, and in UTF-8 > export? This is not clear to me. > > What can I say however is: if this feature implies to change, or extend, > syntax, then it is /de facto/ a blocker for the merge, and needs to be > sorted out. This very much depends on how you view references vs citations. I personally think of references as in-text citations (i.e. you=E2=80=99re citing other = bits of the very same document), but I doubt this is a common view (as suggested by oth= er replies). To try to lay out what one may expect with references, I=E2=80=99d think so= me support in Org (without org-ref et. al) would be good (at least for exporting) =E2=80= =94 but I=E2=80=99m not sure what a good for would be. I think it could be treated similarly to citations, given a variant syntax = like [] or even just be added as a way of exporting links to named figures/tables (i.e. ). It=E2=80=99s a bit late to bring this up, but in case this should come unde= r the citation umbrella I thought I should. Lastly, an example of what I=E2=80=99d expect when exporting to ascii (with= three example syntaxes): =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 #+name: sometab =E2=94=82 #+caption: Some table =E2=94=82 | a | b | =E2=94=82 | c | d | =E2=94=82=20 =E2=94=82 Hey, look at [[sometab]]. (or) =E2=94=82 Hey, look at [cite:#sometab]. (or) =E2=94=82 Hey, look at [ref:sometab]. =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81 =E2=94=82 a b=20 =E2=94=82 c d=20 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81=E2=94=81 =E2=94=82 Table 1: Some table =E2=94=82=20 =E2=94=82 Hey, look at Table 1. =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 I hope this clears up what I was thinking. All the best, *Timothy* --=-=-=--