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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Emacs orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645799774; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=o47UpNWmvwm2M3SQ+hYwTd5VDjrgCOhD4l2VGorq0aE=; b=BUTilkxjTIH64bCHqq+M6qX/6WKgYDmonZrv1vi7t3hppB21LS3x6U0Lo8r1GvDwkIjSni srnMaVyR+jDgbALz4a6qFBEJychR+NC4BogFef/Qibq+mpe4xCbnaYGAktnLceUPiqLDXK o3j9pZXkaVQiETHmSTCxc8A+8WxmBWiTWZ8wfnAt/pXYEpJnhEj06IdY4cvTnfQw4VJ1Uv OT43TRCWC/VNqgbi0D322p2GTt9MHcuENzCTnU+9YeK+8lnA0yidJYIaqFlgnNTG0OBnIE W33etnMrFIGc2DB836pGknORCJySAVWUK5wHOrMY+C+eTnyDRNX6uKjTo2l/6A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645799774; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JowIRll791TbB/PwYIqTrm5/OGAdgT3tj0hCoLdistpHyJ4LG50eX+V2MLIDKrwUQR/Kvv sPRTkQRhp1Xi5uVkroa7KUF1WRQsjkGSih/QI4+Rppbfilj9jWCUPaI6J+NZlbq1DSee34 L2N9JG/F3dK65YrVJo9DPqhGbyvdJXR/bUuGsUyqcODaFEXuXS2qSBYUA4X3/pEQsP8w5W 0E+b06ZRTUbqm0DVSidpvR53LaKYAurzeCdqYRdayCQc5x/xP7hSgzcr4oIN2tyPyirxnN M2VDhIOtaUpB2iGvVxLhA4amiReOYOoOQcMvKPs9W/b2Om4GxsGGlpoqyMQDCQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=XZ97nq3+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=XZ97nq3+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 36223379CB X-Spam-Score: -9.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: o848H7dR9F+I c.buhtz@posteo.jp writes: > The text in the buffer after M-x org-submit-bugreport says in the first > line "You are about to submit a bug report to the Org mailing list". > This does not explain how this is done. As a (very fresh not Emacs > familiar) user I wouldn't assume that I have to setup my Emacs as a mail > client in that case. I would assume that there is some magic in behind. > ;) > > Just write something like "Make sure your Emacs is setup to send emails > or copy and paste the resulting buffer into an Email client of your > choice." Thanks! This makes sense. We should probably modify org-submit-bug-report docstring, the prompts, and the email template. >>> It is unclear where the repositories for the source code and the code >>> of >>> the website are. If I had found them I would have created a PR/patch >>> for >>> 2. >> >> This is confusing. If you go to orgmode.org, the git link is in the >> front >> page. Also, orgmode.org -> Install will bring you to the relevant page >> of the manual, which provides all possible installation options >> including cloning the official git repo. > > But the front-page and the Install are not the place where I would > expect infos like that. Repos are for contributers not for users. > Users are reading "Install" and sometimes the front-page. I have not > read the front-page but clicked on contribute. > In contribute the git thing is explained in "Details on how to submit > patches" but there is a repo url missing. Fair point. We need someone to make a patch for https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contribute.html Probably adding the git repo links to Org mode, WORG, and the orgmode.org website: git clone git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs/org-mode.git git clone https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/worg git clone https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/orgweb >> Similarly, https://orgmode.org/worg/ has the links to its code in the >> first heading: >> >>>> Worg documentation on your machine >>>> git clone https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/worg > > Definitly my fault. > > btw: I would suggest to create links or mirror repos on your GitHub > page. Org has no official GitHub page. This is partially a requirement from Free Software Foundation: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#References I think that we might create some kind of mirror given that it is only used as means to redirect users to this mailing list, but we will need (1) have a volunteer ready to accept github legal terms and take care about the mirror; (2) consult FSF. I would like to hear opinions from other contributors on this idea. >> Do you recall the urls where you tried to search for the source code? > > I searched behind the GitHub link (right top corner of the website) > first. > I searched around on savannah but still have problems with the > interface; which is another topic. > > The point is that the users have to search (e.g. DuckDuckGo) because the > links to the repo or to description that there is no public repo are not > at the usual (compared to most of the other FOSS projects) places. I understand your concern. We may probably add a link to "Contribute" page as a "git" image in the top right corner. (and maybe rename "Contribute" to "Feedback"). Alternative suggestions are also welcome. I will let Timothy/Bastien decide on this. Also, for some context (I do not imply that we should not update the website to make it more familiar to users). Org mode was >> Created by Carsten Dominik in 2003, maintained by Bastien Guerry and >> developed by many others. while Github was >> Launched April 10, 2008; 13 years ago :P Best, Ihor