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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1663927979; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1IVq+V5cQSfRydl7KSEwdMvZiEAiGAKA4p+2962dDnc=; b=R4XrCP1pEYWFGoDPdxBXcdeF2xyFdxZKYjvFsuiIThH3+XyKAX7jEWftQaRBkB18ciDy+m rz9gOZu8z/DRxmjnEQgl3OBu2s+eNLhHtQ9SF5Zhi5SfjX4EX6X8GZJIQV8bceFzK5gbMe o206SnxppCSK4d/VxR+tFX+cAytD5yrEhMVcQvkPJCW4quE3Ab6vdwdSvMdaaazz3RGepA r5w1tgl203yBDO6W+psM/xWVoSPu62wOTEUTSqFmSp+iEUoKegrp5iwTYcUiIbl18sia8i NMqTNQaJN2SvDmsry4Q5jXF07BJDt03W9gqKh1SON7pN3lE2aSTtTNegBaknog== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1663927979; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SGOlhSkSY/xaLw/OtEh1S5QQXVtHZUyRmwGKyqklrkLbTXRTetxVcyAbkKz+rx8BYN3vb2 QyHx8BnB/FSAprjEHhaJJIk8PJdm/19ZjkvWZkT1xb7V9Mrucpq2mvU3iKF+nEqtTfAj11 etfrCE00JyaxW+ZHW45U3E28Xo+8ZTo1WtaiYxrPE8CqRr6ttJn1y8ZxSYOnHRF60kX8dN K7xwEIketmLqE/hzpNULiG7yhbJXujtocal7pmVJOufSm9tt9g/itGtBGDX+YtkcJw8Tnz 5a+1wzWtcpzjKYBC3ATpyit0QRvrNKvapcoQOgQ7C89wnEI4KJx4RlJxP5VIdA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=l3Ki2s1+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=l3Ki2s1+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1C8BA2F8F4 X-Spam-Score: -0.85 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: tp/qHjQ3T7SV Bastien writes: >> Sure. It is always nice to have historical records on why certain >> decisions have been made. > > It is not just to be able to keep track of discussions that led to > decisions: it is also to be able to be as *inclusive* as possible. > > Of course, time and skills (and other psychological traits) are the > main parameters deciding whether someone can participate to these > discussions: but the more they take place on the mailing list, the > more inclusive they are IMHO. > > (I know this opinion is debatable: most <30yo (<35yo) hackers out > there will say that relying on a mailing list for such discussions > wards them off, insisting we should go on GitHub... but *anyone* can > send an email to a list, while only registered GitHub users can open > an issue. We certainly don't want to encourage anyone to register on > GitHub.) I do agree that email is the most accessible option from technical perspective. However, something being accessible _technically_ does not mean that it is accessible psychologically. People used to GitHub workflows will be (and are) reluctant to use email. Not because they can't, but simply because it requires stepping aside the developed habits (yes, it is how GitHub and other social platforms catch us [1]). Familiarity is important. It does not matter if the discussion is done via mailing list or any other means under the hood. People just want familiar navigation and front-end logic. Ideally, it would be nice to have ML front-end that looks similar to GitHub issues. I recall the latest versions of mailman had somewhat familiar look. Sourcehut is also trying to implement a web-based front-end (though is it not familiar at all, unfortunately). Note that the opposite to the above is not true. We should not prefer familiar front-ends at the cost of sacrificing technical accessibility. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40672036-digital-minimalism -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/. Support Org development at https://liberapay.com/org-mode, or support my work at https://liberapay.com/yantar92