From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bernt Hansen Subject: Re: possible bug: TAB after elipsis Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <87634hibsy.fsf@gollum.intra.norang.ca> References: <87sk7ld26n.fsf@mean.albasani.net> <87d3ypd0fn.fsf@mean.albasani.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NvfRD-0003Ep-Lt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34162 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NvfRB-0003D2-V4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvfRA-0004pv-G5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:29:05 -0400 Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org ([204.13.248.71]:57951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NvfRA-0004pq-Cs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:29:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: (John Hendy's message of "Sat\, 27 Mar 2010 14\:02\:55 -0600") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Hendy Cc: Memnon Anon , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org John Hendy writes: > Very cool and good point about unfolding. I've basically been doing the s= ame things. > > Thanks for the speed keys link, especially. I've just got to sit down and= read the whole manual some weekend... there's so much and since I am usual= ly searching under 'problem-based' motivation, there's > so many helpful things I might never find that way! > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Memnon Anon wrote: > > John Hendy writes: >=20=20=20=20 > > This awesome. If this equivalent existed for M-a/e and M-f/b, I wou= ld > > be very happy with the result. Seem reasonable -- when on a folded > > headline, I just can't think of a reason someone would want to > > interact with the headline after the ellipsis. It even, as someone > > else mentioned, can ge one into trouble -- press the wrong key or > > delete after it and you're removing text you can't even see... but = are > > able to interact with! >=20=20=20=20 > Well, after all, its just "Plain Text" you are editing. > Whenever there is an Elipsis, there is a convenient "hack" in the > display hiding what you don't want to see, but it is never the less a > hack. So I got into the habbit that, whenever I edit a line that > contains "...", I unfold it first; whenever it is folded, I only > a ) view it or > b) navigate with the org commands like the speed keys > =C2=A0 (http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html) or > c) use the org structure editing command > (http://orgmode.org/manual/Structure-editing.html). >=20=20=20=20 > For extensive editing with emacs board tools, there is always > "M-x show-all". >=20=20=20=20 > So, I agree, whenever there are ellipsis, editing "it ... can > get one into trouble". So I just don't ;). >=20=20=20=20 > hth > Memnon Sorry about the premature post - send key malfunction :) One other thing I've done for dealing with folded text is use my binding for F9-v which toggles visibility mode on and off. This unfolds _everything_ and makes it possible to see what you are changing (usually because I accidentally edited something in a folded region and want to see exactly what I'm undoing to fix it) (global-set-key (kbd " v") 'visible-mode) HTH, Bernt