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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=QyJU4QCw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.71 X-TUID: v2cbRSmbgToL Thanks for the feedback! Maxim Nikulin writes: > 03.08.2020 12:11, TEC wrote: >> >> To see how orgmode.org currently appears, see >> https://i.imgur.com/XPFfBaB.png > > Sorry for negative (and maybe discouraging) feedback. I would > not mind if you just skip my complains since I am not a > contributor to org-mode. Please, share your thoughts! > Concerning the screenshot, when first impression, that > everything is broken and do not worth reading at all, is over, > in my opinion, the text makes much more sense than "innovative" > marketing stuff got priority on the demo of the new design. I > consider the list of tasks, that org mode could help with, is > the most important thing to attract new users. It should just be > properly formatted. Re content for the index page, my current thoughts are: - Some sort of informative introductory paragraph - List of most common applications of org - Note latest version, and when it was released I also have a styled equivalent of the screenshot on the current site. These things just need to move from my mind, to the page :) Do let me know if you have any other specific ideas on content for the index. > It seems that new variant is too mobile-centric. On a 24in > monitor I expect something more than just a banner. There is > plenty of room for brief news related to new releases, for more > details of most important features (on the other hand I am > against arbitrary scaled screenshots with excessively huge > characters in comparison to surrounded text), etc. I am aware > that my taste is against of modern design trends. If you have specific suggestions on how I could smoothly work in a better design for the index on the desktop, I'd love to hear them. If you could pair any such suggestions with reference to my earlier thoughts* on the purpose of each page that will make it easier to glimpse your thought process, and how it compares to my own. \* see email in reply to Colin sent on Mon 03 Aug 07:53 UTC > A couple of remarks unrelated to new look but should be > addressed in the case of rework. > > I am surprised that Emacs is explicitly mentioned only in html > head title. The relation should be clear for new visitors. That's: a) been removed from the head title. I couldn't find a browser which would display the whole thing without chopping it off the last ~third b) going to be mentioned prominently in the body, at least in my current thoughts > As to installation, I believe that org-mode bundled with Emacs > is more than enough for first try. It is a shorter path to > become familiar with most prominent features just to start > editing of an .org file (or to download a prepared demo .org). > Getting the latest stable version could be a next step for the > hooked users. Are you saying that you find the current mention of Emacs in the instillation page works well? I'm currently just linking to Emacs. Looking at the page though, I think I should make a more prominent action to download Emacs. I love the idea of a demo org file! If anyone would like to help out with creating one by sending in contenders / snippets that would be brilliant! Even better - having two or three different demo files based on the use case of the new user - e.g. programmer, author, organisation - or something like that.