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Whenever we add formatting > specific directives, we always end up in a somewhat uncertain situation > with respect to the other back ends. I also feel that in-line blocks > which support large and complex formatting configuration really defeat > the purpose of an in=3Dline block (which I feel should be kept relatively > simple). I also find complex constructs of this form really degrades the > readability of source documents. To me, this is another reason for comment and #+attr_X lines not to break paragraphs, as then we can just re-use #+attr_X lines. E.g. =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 Hi there look at =E2=94=82 #+attr_X: :prop val =E2=94=82 inline_mark{some content} =E2=94=82 and now continuing the paragraph... =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 As mentioned previously, this would also be rather nice for comments in paragraphs and also applying attributes to a link in a paragraph, i.e. =E2=94=8C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 =E2=94=82 I'm a big fan of the =E2=94=82 #+attr_html: :title Visit the Org homepage =E2=94=82 [[https://orgmode.org/][Org]] =E2=94=82 project. =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 All the best, Timothy --=-=-=--