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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.45 X-Spam-Score: -6.45 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D72BA2281D X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-TUID: 4evLyBBIF7ar Bastien writes: >> 1. For org-insert-heading, we have multiple variants that allow >> inserting heading at point, after current subtree, and the same >> variants for TODO heading. We don't have enough key combinations left >> to allow all the equivalents for subheadings. >> >> 2. With `org-cycle-level-after-item/entry-creation' set to t (default), >> it is actually very easy to create a subheading/subitem using the >> available C/M-[S]- commands. Just do M- . And the same >> will work for inserting todo headings. > > I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here: do you say that we don't > need to find a keybinding for `org-insert-subheading/subitem' because > it is already easy enough to insert a subheading/item using a certain > combinaison of commands? > Or do you suggest we need to find another prefix than "C-M-"? Which > one? I mean that it seems to be easy to insert subheading/subitem already. You can try: * Heading M-RET TAB or * Heading C-S-RET TAB or - item M-RET TAB We even have this documented in the Structural Editing section of the manual: =E2=80=98=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98org-cycle=E2=80=99) In a new entry with no text yet, the first =E2=80=98=E2=80=99 dem= otes the entry to become a child of the previous one. The next =E2=80=98= =E2=80=99 makes it a parent, and so on, all the way to top level. Yet another =E2=80=98=E2=80=99, and you are back to the initial level. Probably, we should mention "subitem/subheading" words in the index or find some other way to emphasize that it is possible to demote subheading with TAB. > What matter the most to me here is the consistency of commands, but if > the keybindings can reflect that, all the better. For me, it is important to keep consistency of the keys as well - these are the core Org keys, and they should be as intuitive as possible. --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at