From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Standardize #+BIBLIOGRAPHY line Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:31:21 +0200 Message-ID: <874nbm67rq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87k3kjyr37.fsf@gmail.com> <87hafn55l0.fsf@gmail.com> <87ip02wx96.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39154) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1GCo-0003rH-98 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:31:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1GCi-0004yD-SE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:31:14 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::231]:58589) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V1GCi-0004x9-7T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:31:08 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m19so5989679wev.36 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 06:31:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ip02wx96.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2013 18:46:21 +0530") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Jambunathan K writes: > Getting Citation right to cater to general needs is going to be complex. > This is mainly because > > 1. Org's object syntax is very rudimentary and not "extensible" > 2. "real-world" citations may need some annotations page number etc. > > I think it is good to *atleast make a move* in standardizing the cite > elements. My gut feeling is that cite objects - for now - should be > coded as \cite { } latex objects. This specifically means that link > syntax for cite should NOT BE ENCOURAGED (or STRONGLY DISCOURAGED). I understand. You can still use ox-bibtex.el for now, and just ignore all the "[[cite:...]]" part. > As an aside, I am inclined to think of cite objects as "special class" > of "footnote" elements. I tend to agree. There was a discussion on the ML about a possible syntax. I think it is a bit early to set it in stone anyway. As you said, the point here is to make a move towards standardization, even if it means using \cite{...} and `defadvice' for now. > Does the author have copyright assignments for contributing to Emacs? > > Taru Karttunen > > As a personal policy, I don't want to touch a file which wouldn't end up > in Emacs proper. > > Any changes that I make to Emacs - that includes Org-mode - is > *guaranteed* to end up in Emacs proper. It's going to happen in it's > own time. Nobody can guarantee that code relative to bibliographies will become mainstream. What if normalization fails, for one reason or another? Anyway, I don't think assignment is a problem. If we decide to handle bibliographies in Org core, ox-bibtex will have to be rewritten anyway (and will become ox-bibliography or something like that). Though, it would obviously be best if original "org-bibtex.el" author (Cc'ed) had already signed FSF papers. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou