From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rasmus Subject: Re: gnus: link annoyance Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:05:32 +0100 Message-ID: <874n5hca77.fsf@pank.eu> References: <87zjn9w79w.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39251) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0DZB-0002x6-JU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:02:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0DZ5-0003OJ-Ky for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:02:17 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:41817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0DZ5-0003OA-FL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:02:11 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0DYv-0003Q4-ST for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:02:01 +0100 Received: from 109.201.154.142 ([109.201.154.142]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:02:01 +0100 Received: from rasmus by 109.201.154.142 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:02:01 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi François, Thanks for working on org-grep. It looks interesting. Excuse me if I misunderstood something below. François Pinard writes: > Whenever I visit a "gnus:" type link from Org, it has the side effect of > "reading" the article in Gnus parlance, forcing me to "unread" it each > time afterwards. If I forget to unread it, which is a likely error, the > article will not be shown if I later visit its mailgroup using Gnus in a > regular way. So in practice, it is kind of forever lost. > [...] > This is a sad side-effect of "gnus:" links. In this area, Org should > immediately unread any "gnus:" link it follows, or else and maybe even > better, leave the reached article with the flags it already has. You read it, no? How can it not be marked read when you read it? Perhaps you would like to the following on mailgroups you care about (from the *Groups* buffer): G c C-s Display S-TAB RET TAB RET 1 TAB 100 M-< TAB TAB RET Also, you can search with nnir using GG or C-u GG (but links probably won't work from a nnir buffer). > If the user explicitly saved the article in an Org file using > "org-store-link", (s)he surely though of it as kind of permanent, > and Org should then not "read" it, even the user did not "bang" it. I cannot reproduce using the following receipt: 1. Mark an article as important with '!', (gnus-summary-tick-article-forward N) 1. (org-store-link) 2. org-insert-link with the above link in org-buffer 3. Open link. My tick is preserved. I can also change the mark to gnus-summary-mark-as-expirable and preserve the link. I cannot preserve an unread mark when I read it, but it shouldn't 'cause I read the article. . . Cheers, Rasmus -- When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?