Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

[Alain.Cochard]

>Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>
>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 12:07, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 01:33, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bonjour,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ijust discovered org-mode for emacs and I want to explore the
>>>>>> capabilities of this mode for LaTeX documents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few preliminary questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1- I installed org-mode from ELPA and I get a warning message
>>>>>> when I open a *.org file:
>>>>>> Eager macro-expansion failure: (error "Autoloading failed to
>>>>>> define function nnir-article-group")
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does it mean and how to get rid of this message.

>>>>> That's a macro from Gnus, the mail/news client. I'm not quite
>>>>> sure why it would be getting triggered from Org. Would you run
>>>>> `toggle-debug-on-error', and trigger the warning again?

>>>> I don't know much with the lisp syntax; here is what I have done:
>>>> opened emacs,
>>>> M-x  toggle-debug-on-error RET
>>>> C-f file.org
>>>>
>>>> And the message is still there....
>>>>
>>>> This message does not appear if I open file without the .org
>>> extension.

>>> Sorry -- of course it's a *warning*, not an error.
>>> 
>>> My only guess is that this is caused by the call to
>>> `nnir-article-group' inside `org-gnus-store-link' in the file
>>> org-gnus.el. That file has
>>> 
>>> (eval-when-compile (require 'gnus-sum))
>>> 
>>> And gnus-sum.el has:
>>> 
>>> (autoload 'nnir-article-group "nnir" nil nil 'macro)
>>> 
>>> So theoretically that should take care of it.
>>> 
>>> What version of Emacs are you using?

>>
>> 25.2.1
>>
>> and org-mode version: 9.0.7 (from elpa)

> I'm sorry, I just don't know enough about how Emacs loads and
> evaluates these forms to tell you what's going wrong. The nnir macro
> should definitely be available in your setup. I don't even know why
> loading that Org library would make it complain.
> 
> Hopefully someone with more experience can take it from here. Sorry!

I certainly don't have more experience, but maybe it will help if I
report my own.

I have the very same problem with the following configuration:

Org mode version 9.0.8 (9.0.8-elpa @
/home/cochard/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20170606/)

GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.12) of
2015-05-07 on buildvm-08.phx2.fedoraproject.org

'uname -a' gives: Linux frac.u-strasbg.fr 4.1.13-100.fc21.x86_64 #1
SMP Tue Nov 10 13:13:20 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I've had this problem since I updated org ELPA on 24 dec 2016 (NB: I
have not changed my GNU emacs version or GNU/Linux distribution).


I performed the following tests (all independently from one another),
all with a void .emacs file.

(1) With 'emacs --no-site-file'

-> the error is present.

(2) With 'emacs --no-site-file' 

and after commenting the line

(autoload 'nnir-article-group "nnir" nil nil 'macro)

in file /usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el (after having
gunzip'ed it) and also after having hidden the corresponding .elc file

-> the error is not present.

(3) With 'emacs --no-site-file --no-site-lisp'

-> the error is not present.

(4) With 'emacs --no-site-file'

and after hiding files nnir.el and nnir.elc, which are in dir
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus

-> the error is not present.

The begining of file /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/ is

;;; nnir.el --- search mail with various search engines -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
;; Copyright (C) 1998 Kai Großjohann

;; $Id: nnir.el,v 1.1.1.1 2003-04-04 20:16:09 lolando Exp $

This file contains: (require 'gnus-sum)


Regards, Alain




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Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:

>>Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>>
>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 12:07, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 01:33, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>>>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bonjour,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ijust discovered org-mode for emacs and I want to explore the
>>>>>>> capabilities of this mode for LaTeX documents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a few preliminary questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1- I installed org-mode from ELPA and I get a warning message
>>>>>>> when I open a *.org file:
>>>>>>> Eager macro-expansion failure: (error "Autoloading failed to
>>>>>>> define function nnir-article-group")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does it mean and how to get rid of this message.

[...]

> I certainly don't have more experience, but maybe it will help if I
> report my own.
>
> I have the very same problem with the following configuration:
>
> Org mode version 9.0.8 (9.0.8-elpa @
> /home/cochard/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20170606/)
>
> GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.12) of
> 2015-05-07 on buildvm-08.phx2.fedoraproject.org
>
> 'uname -a' gives: Linux frac.u-strasbg.fr 4.1.13-100.fc21.x86_64 #1
> SMP Tue Nov 10 13:13:20 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> I've had this problem since I updated org ELPA on 24 dec 2016 (NB: I
> have not changed my GNU emacs version or GNU/Linux distribution).
>
>
> I performed the following tests (all independently from one another),
> all with a void .emacs file.
>
> (1) With 'emacs --no-site-file'
>
> -> the error is present.
>
> (2) With 'emacs --no-site-file' 
>
> and after commenting the line
>
> (autoload 'nnir-article-group "nnir" nil nil 'macro)
>
> in file /usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el (after having
> gunzip'ed it) and also after having hidden the corresponding .elc file
>
> -> the error is not present.
>
> (3) With 'emacs --no-site-file --no-site-lisp'
>
> -> the error is not present.
>
> (4) With 'emacs --no-site-file'
>
> and after hiding files nnir.el and nnir.elc, which are in dir
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus
>
> -> the error is not present.
>
> The begining of file /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/ is
>
> ;;; nnir.el --- search mail with various search engines -*- coding: iso-8859-1 -*-
> ;; Copyright (C) 1998 Kai Großjohann
>
> ;; $Id: nnir.el,v 1.1.1.1 2003-04-04 20:16:09 lolando Exp $
>
> This file contains: (require 'gnus-sum)

That was very useful, thanks for the detailed report! Looks like it's
the same as this:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1177978

Looks like uninstalling an emacs-goodies package might do the trick?
Anyway, you're meant to be loading nnir.el from
emacs/<version>/lisp/gnus/nnir.el, not site/lisp/gnus-bonus.

Eric

Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

[Alain.Cochard]

Eric Abrahamsen writes on Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:37:
 > Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
 > 
 > >>Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >>
 > >>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 12:07, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
 > >>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >>>> 
 > >>>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 01:33, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
 > >>>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> Bonjour,
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> Ijust discovered org-mode for emacs and I want to explore the
 > >>>>>>> capabilities of this mode for LaTeX documents.
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> I have a few preliminary questions:
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> 1- I installed org-mode from ELPA and I get a warning message
 > >>>>>>> when I open a *.org file:
 > >>>>>>> Eager macro-expansion failure: (error "Autoloading failed to
 > >>>>>>> define function nnir-article-group")
 > >>>>>>>
 > >>>>>>> What does it mean and how to get rid of this message.

[...]

 Hi Eric, thanks much for the feedback.

 > That was very useful, thanks for the detailed report! Looks like it's
 > the same as this:
 > 
 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1177978
 > 
 > Looks like uninstalling an emacs-goodies package might do the trick?

Yes it did!  Also, the error is not present on another machine (with
Fedora 23) on which I could perform a test, with simply the command
'emacs' and a void .emacs file -- and of course the emacs-goodies
packages installed on that machine:

Org mode version 9.0.8 (9.0.8-elpa @ /root/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20170606/)

GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) of
2016-04-11 on buildvm-25.phx2.fedoraproject.org

Linux fruc.u-strasbg.fr 4.8.13-100.fc23.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 9
14:51:40 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

> Anyway, you're meant to be loading nnir.el from
> emacs/<version>/lisp/gnus/nnir.el, not site/lisp/gnus-bonus.

So in your opinion what is the best to do in order to avoid this error
message, and, above all, the possible consequences related to this
problem? -- so far, I have not noticed any, but who knows...

- get rid of the file /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/nnir.el?
- get rid of the dir /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/altogether?
- something else?

Because uninstalling the emacs-goodies packages sound rather
extreme...  NB: I uses gnus very rarely.

Regards,
a.

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Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen writes on Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:37:
>  > Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
>  > 
>  > >>Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>  > >>
>  > >>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 12:07, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>  > >>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>  > >>>> 
>  > >>>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 01:33, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
>  > >>>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Bonjour,
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Ijust discovered org-mode for emacs and I want to explore the
>  > >>>>>>> capabilities of this mode for LaTeX documents.
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> I have a few preliminary questions:
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> 1- I installed org-mode from ELPA and I get a warning message
>  > >>>>>>> when I open a *.org file:
>  > >>>>>>> Eager macro-expansion failure: (error "Autoloading failed to
>  > >>>>>>> define function nnir-article-group")
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> What does it mean and how to get rid of this message.
>
> [...]
>
>  Hi Eric, thanks much for the feedback.
>
>  > That was very useful, thanks for the detailed report! Looks like it's
>  > the same as this:
>  > 
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1177978
>  > 
>  > Looks like uninstalling an emacs-goodies package might do the trick?
>
> Yes it did!  Also, the error is not present on another machine (with
> Fedora 23) on which I could perform a test, with simply the command
> 'emacs' and a void .emacs file -- and of course the emacs-goodies
> packages installed on that machine:
>
> Org mode version 9.0.8 (9.0.8-elpa @ /root/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20170606/)
>
> GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) of
> 2016-04-11 on buildvm-25.phx2.fedoraproject.org
>
> Linux fruc.u-strasbg.fr 4.8.13-100.fc23.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 9
> 14:51:40 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>> Anyway, you're meant to be loading nnir.el from
>> emacs/<version>/lisp/gnus/nnir.el, not site/lisp/gnus-bonus.
>
> So in your opinion what is the best to do in order to avoid this error
> message, and, above all, the possible consequences related to this
> problem? -- so far, I have not noticed any, but who knows...
>
> - get rid of the file /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/nnir.el?
> - get rid of the dir /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/altogether?
> - something else?
>
> Because uninstalling the emacs-goodies packages sound rather
> extreme...  NB: I uses gnus very rarely.

Perhaps you could doctor your load-path early in the init process, so
that /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp comes later, and is shadowed by
emacs/<version>/lisp? On my machine the relevant load-path elements are
ordered as:

/usr/local/share/emacs/26.0.50/site-lisp
/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp
/usr/local/share/emacs/26.0.50/lisp

If that's the case on your machine as well, perhaps you could remove
emacs/site-lisp, and re-add it at the end of the list. That has the
potential to break other things, though...

Eric

Re: newbye questions [the nnir-article-group issue]

[Alain.Cochard]

Eric Abrahamsen writes on Tue 13 Jun 2017 08:41:
 > Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
 > 
 > > Eric Abrahamsen writes on Sun 11 Jun 2017 14:37:
 > >  > Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
 > >  > 
 > >  > >>Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >  > >>
 > >  > >>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 12:07, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
 > >  > >>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >  > >>>> 
 > >  > >>>>> Le 05/06/2017 ? 01:33, Eric Abrahamsen a ?crit :
 > >  > >>>>>> Fran?ois Patte <francois.patte@mi.parisdescartes.fr> writes:
 > >  > >>>>>>
 > >  > >>>>>>> Bonjour,
 > >  > >>>>>>>
 > >  > >>>>>>> Ijust discovered org-mode for emacs and I want to explore the
 > >  > >>>>>>> capabilities of this mode for LaTeX documents.
 > >  > >>>>>>>
 > >  > >>>>>>> I have a few preliminary questions:
 > >  > >>>>>>>
 > >  > >>>>>>> 1- I installed org-mode from ELPA and I get a warning message
 > >  > >>>>>>> when I open a *.org file:
 > >  > >>>>>>> Eager macro-expansion failure: (error "Autoloading failed to
 > >  > >>>>>>> define function nnir-article-group")
 > >  > >>>>>>>
 > >  > >>>>>>> What does it mean and how to get rid of this message.
 > >
 > > [...]
 > >
 > >  Hi Eric, thanks much for the feedback.
 > >
 > >  > That was very useful, thanks for the detailed report! Looks like it's
 > >  > the same as this:
 > >  > 
 > >  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1177978
 > >  > 
 > >  > Looks like uninstalling an emacs-goodies package might do the trick?
 > >
 > > Yes it did!  Also, the error is not present on another machine (with
 > > Fedora 23) on which I could perform a test, with simply the command
 > > 'emacs' and a void .emacs file -- and of course the emacs-goodies
 > > packages installed on that machine:
 > >
 > > Org mode version 9.0.8 (9.0.8-elpa @ /root/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20170606/)
 > >
 > > GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) of
 > > 2016-04-11 on buildvm-25.phx2.fedoraproject.org
 > >
 > > Linux fruc.u-strasbg.fr 4.8.13-100.fc23.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 9
 > > 14:51:40 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 > >
 > >> Anyway, you're meant to be loading nnir.el from
 > >> emacs/<version>/lisp/gnus/nnir.el, not site/lisp/gnus-bonus.
 > >
 > > So in your opinion what is the best to do in order to avoid this error
 > > message, and, above all, the possible consequences related to this
 > > problem? -- so far, I have not noticed any, but who knows...
 > >
 > > - get rid of the file /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/nnir.el?
 > > - get rid of the dir /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-bonus/altogether?
 > > - something else?
 > >
 > > Because uninstalling the emacs-goodies packages sound rather
 > > extreme...  NB: I uses gnus very rarely.
 > 
 > Perhaps you could doctor your load-path early in the init process, so
 > that /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp comes later, and is shadowed by
 > emacs/<version>/lisp? On my machine the relevant load-path elements are
 > ordered as:
 > 
 > /usr/local/share/emacs/26.0.50/site-lisp
 > /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp
 > /usr/local/share/emacs/26.0.50/lisp
 > 
 > If that's the case on your machine as well, perhaps you could remove
 > emacs/site-lisp, and re-add it at the end of the list. That has the
 > potential to break other things, though...

Yes, that's the same for me.  I'll try to investigate along that
line.  Thanks again for your time.

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