From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id wKtiLJofk15URQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:03:06 +0000 Received: from aspmx2.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id 8CiZB50fk16uCwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:03:09 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx2.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25D18682D61 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jNdCS-0000iy-Dk for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:03:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jNdC0-0000gF-Fe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:02:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jNdBy-00064b-Oj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:02:35 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:39873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jNdBy-00062t-Iq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:02:34 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B738420002; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:02:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: "Bruce D'Arcus" Subject: Re: wip-cite status question and feedback References: <777184861.71192.1586510991834@office.mailbox.org> <87imi72bn0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <1016821769.78551.1586641375789@office.mailbox.org> <87h7xp0z1y.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce D'Arcus" , "emacs-orgmode\@gnu.org" , denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:02:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Bruce D'Arcus's message of "Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:15:27 -0400") Message-ID: <874kto245n.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.200 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: denis.maier.lists@mailbox.org, "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.01 / 13.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.57946497920488]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.29), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nicolasgoaziou.fr]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: XLuQrlhGVgry > I'm just a little confused here, particularly on the last item. Why > would one set a style per bib file? No idea. The need exists though: This is a natural following step. Does Org need to standardize styles? Or is it up to each citation back-end to handle this? My naive thinking was to allow something like: #+bibliography: "something.bib" :style author-year but maybe the "style" part is too citation back-end dependant, and should not be standardized. I would be nice, however, to standardize two keywords: one to define a bibliography, and another one to insert it in a document, upon export. Suggestions welcome! > On the "could be ignored" part, you are referring to the optional type > character, so that citey: becomes cite:; correct? Yes, basically, the parser returns, e.g., '(:style "y"). It is up to the citation back-end to interpret, or not, that :style attribute. If it ignores it, the citation effectively becomes equivalent to '(:style nil), i.e., "cite:". Is that clearer? > Finally, what does the above example look like when, say, there are > two cites (say @doe2020 and @doe2019), and a global prefix? > > Is it this? > > [cite:see ;@doe2020;@doe2019] Yes, and a "t-styled" citation would be: [citet:see;@doe2020;@doe2019] Barring the prefix, the syntax of the citation does not change wrt to "wip-cite" branch. However, this is enough to be slightly incompatible, hence the "wip". > And a SuppressAuthor variant would be this? > > [cite:see ;-@doe2020;-@doe2019] Indeed. How does that sound?