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CSS is possibly the most challenging part of doing > decent web pages - especially if you want responsive pages which work > well on large and small screens and with respect to accessibility. > .... > These frameworks are easy to learn - far easier than learning CSS. > Anyone who knows CSS will have no problem using them and anyone who > doesn't will find using the framework much easier than having to learn > 'raw' CSS, which has some pretty narly dark corners which take > considerable effort to master. Then, it sounds like a good path forward. >> AFAIK, worg is very simple. We just rely on ox-html to produce output >> and then publish a static website. That's it. >> > > The thing about a static web site is that it needs good navigation to > make it useable and easy to explore (which I think is critical with > something like worg). To achieve that, there needs to be some > 'knowledge' about the pages and their relationship to each other - it > isn't quite as simple as just having a lot of static pages on a server. Agree. WORG navigation is not ideal (to say the least). Note that we can leverage index functionality of ox-publish. See https://orgmode.org/manual/Site-map.html#Site-map and https://orgmode.org/manual/Generating-an-index.html Also, you may find https://github.com/oyvindstegard/ox-tagfilter-js useful. > First step is to get a working local copy so that I have something to > work with. AFter that and a bit of exploring, I should have a better > understanding and idea how to go forward. Last time I tried to achive this, I had to tweak the css paths a bit, edited paths in publish scirpt, and got everything working locally. (without running server) Best, Ihor