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From: Kierin Bell <fernseed@fernseed.me>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: "Tor-björn Claesson" <tclaesson@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,
	"Philip Kaludercic" <philipk@posteo.net>,
	"Omar Antolín Camarena" <omar@matem.unam.mx>,
	"Jonas Bernoulli" <emacs.transient@jonas.bernoulli.dev>,
	"Juri Linkov" <juri@linkov.net>,
	karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>,
	charles.choi@yummymelon.com, "Justin Burkett" <justin@burkett.cc>
Subject: Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark?
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 13:23:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j34st44.fsf@fernseed.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87msgzh1dh.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:41:14 +0000")


Hi Ihor,

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> TL;DR: We are in the process of designing a more unified selection
> interface for Org mode and want to see if there is some way to unify
> context-menu-mode, transient, which-key and embark together. The idea
> is to (1) avoid too many customizations; (2) allow users to decide how
> to choose between multiple options - by mouse, keyboard, and using
> customizable UIs.

I think that the built-in Emacs thingatpt.el should not be overlooked
here.

Instead of implementing an entire system specific to Org, imagine a
generic action-at-point interface that works on "things" from
thingatpt.el. For the various targets, Org could add new "providers" to
`thing-at-point-provider-alist', `forward-thing-provider-alist', and
`bounds-of-thing-at-point-provider-alist'. [ Org actually does already
register its own 'url' provider for links. ]

Then, Org could implement a number of action selection interfaces that
act on the various classes of "thing". An exemplary package would be
Philip Kaludercic's great =do-at-point= package, which provides a simple
action selection menu for the thing-at-point using
`read-multiple-choice', which I find elegant and intuitive.[1]

I have gone as far as implementing a 'heading' provider for Org and
`outline-mode' (for use with =do-at-point.el=). I don't see any reason
why Org couldn't define a 'citation' provider, a 'source-block'
provider, etc.

The only downside that I have found with adding lots of thingatpt.el
providers is that it can be difficult to write providers efficient
enough for `forward-thing' in particular
(`forward-thing-provider-alist').

I may also be misunderstanding the proposed interface. For example,
instead of a generic interface for acting on a single thing at point,
maybe you are describing more of an interface for associating commands
with multiple potential targets that must be located (e.g., in a
subtree), which are then each associated with actions.

Even if that's the case, there is a good case for implementing
thingatpt.el providers for the targets, so that users could bring our
own action-at-point packages/interfaces. [ I would be willing to help
write some of those providers. ] And if thingatpt.el isn't generalized
or fast enough, then there is a case for creating a new, more flexible
/de facto/ library like this for Emacs.


[1] https://codeberg.org/pkal/do-at-point

Thanks,
Kierin


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-16  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-14 12:36 Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu? Tor-björn Claesson
2024-09-15 14:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-09-17 12:18   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-09-22 12:50     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-09-24 10:07       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-12 17:31         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-22  7:23           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-22 17:58             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-24 14:18             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-24 17:32               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-26 11:45                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-27  8:09                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-27  9:17                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-29  4:58                   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-29 18:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-30  5:37                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-30 18:43                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-31 18:55                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-10-31 19:05                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-10-31 20:47                               ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-01  8:27                                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-01 17:08                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 19:04                                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:21                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 21:37                                         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-03  7:40                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-05 10:07                                             ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-09 14:08                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-10 16:33                                                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-10 16:41                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-11 10:03                                                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-11 15:52                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-12  9:26                                                         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-12 18:03                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
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2024-11-17  9:30                                                                   ` Fwd: " Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-23 16:41                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-25 17:49                                                                       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-10 19:11                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-11  9:57                                                                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-11 10:05                                                                           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-13 18:41                                                                             ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:09                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:59                                                                                   ` Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14 13:10                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:57                                                                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  9:59                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 14:30                                                                                   ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  1:16                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Panayotis Manganaris
2024-12-14 10:08                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-15 21:20                                                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-16 17:54                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-17  2:08                                                                                       ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17  2:24                                                                                         ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17 18:04                                                                                         ` Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-18  7:19                                                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:52                                                                                             ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-18 10:47                                                                                         ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-14 10:50                                                                               ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? indieterminacy
2024-12-14 17:53                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-15  9:07                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-16  7:46                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-16 18:06                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-15 18:23                                                                               ` Kierin Bell [this message]
2024-12-17 17:23                                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-12-14  0:37 [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Psionic K
2024-12-14  9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:12   ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Philip Kaludercic

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