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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, rjhorn@alum.mit.edu Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619710663; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=iafx4fV+GTVbMbifb7aqz4UKQaCa/MAk8bUZbtb4fR0=; b=NjyENnPYpGAMme7GV6w0DNAJG+SN4KfSbD906t82uWL545Xat8IrNW8xCHrKEhsjaT8EHw TunZSq52w/XxNHUsqIrYH1T9Jt5UIdcYcPbhE9ueRi1JouPoRbpAG0EqT7GoR6PQIkyNPY CvrbtsJMD7wIxB7luUdNnKxZ/6d0/a4WJZqEE6zKk4gWVembw85Xrfid30FvRNjxmMrkOh 6bRPJOVvKuC7VleP0m0cTpnHOp4bGSKEgKwuk9AcFbHKAA48qsjsApI2YNa/Vce9UCP1Ir 5mftocs/PS0LLYh/eJnzcTthHEB10jXkOiWz2y6FNs5HeOdxqR7djX1D1O0LGQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619710663; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=C1Wpi67VdIEZG6nwBRmwJNoaiI2cc6Eix9IpPX8hKjDegIE8w25csN1j1QUNV51XupoeZr S85FlXxeR5MZfKkER9ngwon161R2wtt+BNO6Yxl5APOzxpyOmH7auNX+OqKr28t38MYmcI Qubuo+S/2M+Kzz+urHdXXbHLqFeMxKQtjWf2851XHla+q2TqMeHrSUNFmZCpMeWmAIFxBD lD7pKxtxy6h3tt5qS3XwqpE4fttM5mdnJRlGDjSCz8M1ZTzsedaCsfRlvCtlGOOFymYhI+ /r9XcTzc7gICX9cYCuOBk2euPoBA5XXsr2JavOXnd0vYQtJ7H7Nv8dP6M1PfzQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=D933Bt2Y; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.36 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=D933Bt2Y; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3D589244B8 X-Spam-Score: -1.36 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: lJd2yWHStCfb >>>>> Robert Horn writes: > Colin Baxter writes: >>>>>>> Robert Horn writes: >> >> > Timothy writes: >> >> >> Ihor Radchenko writes: >> >> >> >> Maybe this is a good time to start a discussion about moving >> >> Org's minimum supported Emacs to 25...? >> >> > I checked Red Hat, Centos, Debian, SuSE, and Ubuntu. They are >> all > 25.1 or later in their current distributions. So that will >> > probably not cause too much breakage. >> >> > -- Robert Horn rjhorn@alum.mit.edu >> >> Debian 9.13 (which is still supported) has emacs-24. > Interesting question about LTS. How far back should we consider > when estimating the impact of a change like this? I was looking > at current stable versions to estimate the impact of the change. > Lots of users avoid the bleeding edge distribution releases, but > most update to track the current stable/LTS releases. Or they > won't complain that it's unfair for org to expect them to update > emacs to the current stable/LTS version. > Ubuntu, Red Hat, CentOS and SuSE are 25.1 or above for their most > recent long term support releases. Some of these distributions go > a lot further with various forms of long term support. I think > Red Hat goes back 8 years for example, and that emacs is really > old. > It looks like 25.1 is available, but not yet the default for > Debian "stretch" (Debian 9.13), which is the "oldstable" for > Debian. With Debian backport efforts I don't know if this means > months or years. The web page for Emacs25inStretch has not > changed since 2017, so it might never happen. Debian 9.13 may be old but updates are still made available. While Debian supports the os-version and therefore by implication emacs-24, I feel org-mode shouldn't deliberately break that support.