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From: Titus von der Malsburg <malsburg@posteo.de>
To: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CSL-JSON support for =parsebib=
Date: Fri, 07 May 2021 16:22:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735uyikdq.fsf@posteo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8735uywosb.fsf@fastmail.fm>

On 2021-05-07 Fri 16:47, Joost Kremers wrote:
> On Fri, May 07 2021, Titus von der Malsburg wrote:
>>> Apparently, =json-parse-{buffer|string}= then gives you a symbol with a space
>>> in it...
>> I now see that symbol names “can contain any characters whatever” [1]. But many
>> characters need to be escaped (like spaces) which isn’t pretty.
> Agreed. But if you pass such a symbol to =symbol-name= or to =(format "%s")=,
> the escape character is removed, so when it comes to displaying those symbols to
> users, it shouldn't matter much.
> Note, though, that the keys in CSL-JSON don't seem to contain any spaces or
> other weird characters. There are just lower case a-z and dash, that's all.

I agree that weird characters are unlikely going to be an issue.  Nonetheless, strings seem slightly more future-proof.  Funky unicode stuff is now appearing everywhere (I’ve seen emoji being used for variable names) and the situation could be different a couple of years down the line.

>>> This works for the Elisp library =json.el=, but Emacs 27 can be compiled with
>>> native JSON support, which, however, doesn't provide this option,
>>> unfortunately.
>> I see. In this case it might make sense to propose string keys as a feature for
>> json.c. The key is a string anyway at some point during parsing, so avoiding the
>> conversion to symbol may actually be the best way to speed things up.
> True. I'll ask on emacs-devel. Personally, I'd prefer strings, too, but I'm a
> bit hesitant about doing the conversion myself, esp. given that in Ebib, all the
> keys would need to be converted back before I can save a file.

Sure, converting all keys in parsebib is not attractive.

>>> That would be easy to support, but IMHO is better handled in
>>> bibtex-completion:
>>> just parse the buffer and then call =gethash= on the resulting hash table. Or
>>> what use-case do you have in mind?
>> One use case: bibtex-completion drops fields that aren’t needed early on to save
>> memory and CPU cycles. (Some people work with truly enormous bibliographies,
>> like crypto.bib with ~60K entries.) But this means that we sometimes have to
>> read an individual entry again if we need more fields that were dropped earlier.
>> In this case I’d like to be able to read just one entry without having to
>> reparse the complete bibliography.
> Makes sense. For .bib sources, this should be fairly easy to do. For .json, I
> can't really say how easy it would be. It's not difficult to find the entry key
> in the buffer, but from there you'd have to be able to find the start of the
> entry in order to parse it. Currently, I don't know how to do that.

Not a big deal.  Since it’s just about individual entries and the code isn’t super central, we can easily hack something.

>>>> - Functions for resolving strings and cross-references.
> [...]
>>> parsebib has a lower-level API and a higher-level API, and the latter does
>>> essentially what you suggest here. I thought bibtex-completion was already
>>> using it...
>> Nope. I think the high-level API didn’t exist when I wrote my code in 2014.
> No, it didn't. I seem to remember, though, that you gave me the idea for the
> higher-level API, which is probably why I assumed you were using it.
> So that part of =parsebib= hasn't been tested much... (Ebib doesn't use it,
> either). If you do decide to start using it, please test it and report any
> issues you find. And let me know if I can help with testing.

The organically grown parsing code in the Bibtex completion has been bugging me for a while.  So I'm keen on rewriting this.  But I may not get to it until the summer.  I'll keep you posted when I start working on it.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-07 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-07  9:17 CSL-JSON support for =parsebib= Joost Kremers
2021-05-07 11:52 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-07 12:29 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2021-05-07 12:34   ` Joost Kremers
2021-05-07 13:33     ` Titus von der Malsburg
2021-05-07 14:47       ` Joost Kremers
2021-05-07 16:22         ` Titus von der Malsburg [this message]
2021-05-08  9:51           ` András Simonyi
2021-05-08 15:51             ` Joost Kremers
2021-05-07 13:03   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-08 11:57 Denis Maier

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