From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 4M44DuVVqWHagAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 00:25:25 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id wCv2CeVVqWFYNwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 23:25:25 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEE462B3D4 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 00:25:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55608 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msvS5-00022r-Vg for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 18:25:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50460) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msvRc-00022R-0p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 18:24:52 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:44069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1msvRX-0005Ct-Li for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2021 18:24:51 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CCF3240101 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 00:24:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638487485; bh=F6cXZ44DT4eR3+VsTnQxzOm8LHDKNJ7QcLe6qHr2YDA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=XcQ0wXMpnzXYOCuL5beGcpyoGmVVHqE57lKKnFBzXHvaWuLx7j7eUXpjeLWz+1fuQ c5aOiay7EyebsfhTkvdMU6Ll5b0o0LimbHtY7g4JW2L0MUo/GtW4k2y0IshzS61hfu rpsjdt4MMZwwkE49+5uG49QIFFrjPYGL6qe/ktwHtw2Id3ju1k9phTMGkvT/FJF/mi uv3y3iJuhaT/fvCn84i+h5TvqxXHGr+CIytikO6DUp9pBI8UuLsNboICPqhbh6f2wx mGHHuXC04Dr2o5bp/h44CkZwn/9W9FLUows/Fpq4ei2MlIbBM+sgQ3J5lF0WVP0re9 NExvoOQ3RyOdQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J4sVh3y6jz9rxG; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 00:24:44 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Nicolas Goaziou Subject: Re: Org-syntax: Intra-word markup References: <4897bc60-b74f-ccfd-e13e-9b89a1194fdf@mailbox.org> <87fsrbp673.fsf@gmail.com> <1ef0e093-c165-2a5f-954d-6a33b64c8ee9@mailbox.org> <87r1avgnpi.fsf@localhost> <878rx2bzhw.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <878rx2kdgj.fsf@posteo.net> <874k7qboaq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2021 23:24:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: <874k7qboaq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Fri, 03 Dec 2021 00:05:33 +0100") Message-ID: <8735nak2ti.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638487524; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=F6cXZ44DT4eR3+VsTnQxzOm8LHDKNJ7QcLe6qHr2YDA=; b=Rkjq4ERYbnYbL/2Zuz6PHtQEuWGHEL0JM8bOOnUsrK/FHJ9g++xVQOSCEMnQ88iPWpx/xi N74pEG4lTAX+nhe4vgh7qL5Y/yArxyb4S7mTXN0geMX/CjESmDSgReePXEwNHH83AUeOjS e6uRfHu3p7JRoay05Y+n+ZUNPmBGyiDFeObqNxZ0SOLCXh+y256pkNGknvGSaUL5ouHuPs cjt8fR/oPuBuXKbGxQMC44N9Z5X1fKmYOFajciaOLx3ZelhOM9bu0UBDsQ02Pot5Gn2ynZ LTkMLxTQaE7D9oTYAXLfo31dYi65v5PFU2MR7oWT6dJq/O9GfkP7HLqWQeFM0w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638487524; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=mW6WHOIytTbD2VmrBQQS6LUbbpftdyVHOmmFFtafQYkZsG20KeOdCHLSNKuX0/uORKhvQX kJltY1EyrS+cw7WM0Dxr9gkIGfhBrvxw65mdLOyKMsnH5SDhDfSQ99vyjAVAdUfrOhVSJB Bs2nKNEK8ipmmxAENJVMPc3tw8VbxQPvN7Mz/lWsjjykiwiYvIHRbldPls1WRiM4bGxsDx WmTMPOaW6EfNL/7cvmXY+bsTC86yFWMnIrFtkefZ3evT75f0omfOJrK4LEk/JbPhNvKP2F M8/QlK69m6CPOUe2bjgox1MnDubEVbyCk/cqqLUPoxPejrC8ZyE3/a7EcfLIew== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=XcQ0wXMp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.32 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=XcQ0wXMp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CEE462B3D4 X-Spam-Score: -4.32 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: bjjo2egq5agy Nicolas Goaziou writes: > I'm suggesting to remove zero-width spaces contiguous to emphasis > markers only. Therefore LaTeX process would npot see them. Other zero > width spaces, e.g., inserted by user, are kept. AFAICT, the two last > points you mention are not relevant with my proposal. > > Besides, they already part of the syntax, in some way. So that ship has > sailed long ago. I understand that it is too late to change certain things, but that is not an impediment for me to continue to think that using the character U+200B as a part (at least /de facto/) of the syntax is still shocking and weird. On the other hand, what was expected in Org would have been to have the emphasis marks and at the same time have a universal escape character for those emphasis marks. In the same way as I can write in markdown: *foo* AND \*foo\*. In Org we have the emphasis marks but not the escape character. That was probably the cause of many issues that are being discussed here. But that means also entering the realm of assumptions. Still, I wanted to leave an opinion on this question in particular. Best regards, Juan Manuel