From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Tweaking the export Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:03:45 +0800 Message-ID: <871uqklbha.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87pqec4xua.fsf@gmail.com> <87obtvk6j0.fsf@gmail.com> <87obtrel2z.fsf@gmail.com> <4F20F779.2060803@gmail.com> <877h0ds39y.fsf@gmail.com> <8162fxjm02.fsf@gmail.com> <4F235BC2.2080903@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42229) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqzW4-0003T7-Oa for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:03:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqzW3-0007j5-8M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:03:52 -0500 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:48276) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RqzW2-0007j0-Uu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:03:51 -0500 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RqzW2-0000fQ-0Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:03:50 +0100 Received: from 114.250.111.94 ([114.250.111.94]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:03:50 +0100 Received: from eric by 114.250.111.94 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:03:50 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Sat, Jan 28 2012, Christian Wittern wrote: > Hi, Jambunathan and Nicolas, > > On 2012-01-27 22:47, Jambunathan K wrote: >> Nicolas >> >> I will let Christian answer for himself. > Thanks Jambunathan, you are not only an excellent coder, but also an > expert mind reader:-) > What you describe is exactly what I want to achieve. > >> text A text A' >> line 2 line 2 >> >> My name is Jambunathan. I live Mon nom est Jambunathan. Je vis >> in India. .................... en India....................... >> >> He wants the "English column" to be collected in to an English file and >> the "French column" to be collected in to a French file. > >> In some sense, he wants to tangle the "English column", let's say as >> verse_en.org and "French column" to verse_fr.org > > Exactly. The reason for wanting to do this is that the above is my > setup for translating, but in some cases the publication will have > only the translation, for such cases, I want to extract just the > translation. This should then produce a new org file, that simple has > either everything before the tab (the original) or everything after > the tab (the translation), while leaving all lines that do not contain > a character as they are. I also use org mode for translating (from modern Chinese, coincidentally), and as Sebastien mentioned, I find it easiest to split a single file into two subtrees, source and target, then split the window so that I've got the two subtrees side-by-side. You could use follow-mode at this point, though I don't. Selective export then becomes trivial, though you'd have a harder time getting it into a two-column table. It's always annoying to ask how to do something and then be told to do something else, so I'm not going to do that, but I do think you might encounter fewer difficulties making the above setup do what you want, rather than the TAB arrangement. Of course, classical Chinese (particularly poetry) lends itself better to doing discrete chunks one at a time… modern prose would be a nightmare with TABs, though. I've toyed with a home-made follow-type setup, where the two subtrees are displayed in split windows as above, and the sub-headings of the two subtrees have properties pointing to the IDs of their corresponding sub-heading (ie, source chapters are linked to target chapters and vice versa). I got about halfway to implementing something where corresponding paragraphs are highlighted in the non-active window, before getting distracted by an actual translation deadline. (The pie-in-the-sky next step would be to use org-mode to maintain a TMX-formatted translation database (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_Memory_eXchange), and allow for automatic insertion of translations of known terms, a library I expect to have written some time before the obsoletion of Emacs itself.) Anyway, I'm not sure I had much of a point, but if there are any other translators using org-mode, it might be interesting to discuss how we could make it more useful, perhaps in a separate thread. Eric -- Gnu Emacs 24.0.92.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.9) of 2012-01-26 on pellet Org-mode version 7.8.03 (release_7.8.03.249.g742c4e9)