From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adam Porter Subject: Re: [ANN] org-ql 0.4 released Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 02:08:31 -0600 Message-ID: <871rroufeo.fsf@alphapapa.net> References: <87ftg5vf70.fsf@alphapapa.net> <87blqt2ego.fsf@jaunder.io> <87blqsv3om.fsf@alphapapa.net> <87k15g1bck.fsf@jaunder.io> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ivGUl-0007Ro-I4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2020 03:08:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ivGUj-00014v-55 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2020 03:08:43 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([159.69.161.202]:60752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ivGUi-00012W-03 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2020 03:08:40 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ivGUe-000Mmy-Kp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2020 09:08:36 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Michael Alan Dorman writes: > On the other hand, I *also* don't assume that maintainers are incapable > of making a reasonable assessment of the stability of their packages, or > of making a personal choice to try to maintain API compatibility in some > sensible way, and so forth. If it were only a matter of maintainers assessing the stability of individual packages, there would be no problem. The problem is that some packages depend on other packages, and their maintainers don't coordinate the tagging of stable versions. Everyone does their own thing in their own time. MELPA Stable can't solve that. > And you know what: my personal experience over the last five years > hasn't been subject to the problems you identify; perhaps I'm just > lucky. It works pretty well, except when it doesn't. > Nevertheless, my experience leads me to be of the opinion that > abolishing melpa-stable would reek of making the perfect the enemy of > the good AFAICT no good comes from using MELPA Stable. > but I think that it is still an improvement to give maintainers *some* > strategy for trying to manage their packages and their dependencies > and communicate all this to their users Even the most widely used, most impressive packages, like Magit and Helm, don't consistently tag stable versions and don't use actual semantic versioning. There are no rules, so even if a few developers were disciplined in their development and tagging, it would not justify a user using MELPA Stable, because the other packages on it would not live up to the same standards. It doesn't offer what you seem to think it does. > rather than consigning every emacs user to doing individual curation > for every single package they ever use. That's not necessary. Just put ~/.emacs.d/elpa in version control, and when your config and package versions seem to be working, commit everything. Next time you upgrade packages, if something breaks and you don't have time to fix it, rollback to what works and try again later. If everything seems to work, commit the upgraded packages. It's very simple, and unlike MELPA Stable, it will give you actual stability. > Given your position, though, could I suggest that you at least remove > dependencies from your packgaes that feature versions that can only make > sense with melpa-stable? That's what ultimately started this: the fact > that your new release of org-ql depends on a version of org-super-agenda > that *looks* like you care about melpa stable. I care about stability, not MELPA Stable. It's your choice to use MELPA Stable, and you're free to upgrade or downgrade individual packages to work around such occasional, temporary breakage caused by it--the pieces are yours to keep. I'm sorry for any inconvenience, but your config is up to you.