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You will find it here: https://elpa.nongnu.org/nongnu/ >> >> See for https://orgmode.org/list/87wnzfy60h.fsf@bzg.fr/ for context. >> >> Thanks, > > Will there be an overlapping period (and if not, can we add such a > period)? For example, have one release where org-contrib is still > shipped, and the NonGNU repos are available. That gives users such as > myself a period to switch over without things breaking immediately. > > If I understand correctly, the current plan is that users using > org-contrib will have their configs break immediately when they upgrade > to 9.5, forcing them to do both the 9.5 upgrade and switchover to NonGNU > simultaneously. It's easier if we can first safely upgrade to 9.5, then > switch to NonGNU repos, and in the next release org-contrib can be removed. I agree an overlap would be useful. This will give maintainers of 'canned' configs, like spacemacs and doom time to update their setups. However, just to clarify. As I understand it, after 9.5, there will no longer be an 'org-plus-contrib' package. Those who now use org-plus-contrib will need to update their config to install org (fro ELPA) and org-contrib (from NONGNU ELPA). The good news is nothing will break. When you do an update, there just won't be an updated org-plus-contrib and you will remain on 9.5. Only after you have updated your config will you get a version > 9.5. -- Tim Cross