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This has culminated me in spending the last few days straight working = on a rewrite of org-syntax.org to try to bring it closer to the point where we c= an knock =E2=80=9C(draft)=E2=80=9D out of the title =F0=9F=99=82. Ihor has been a tremendous help pointing out inaccuracies and explaining so= me of the parsing behaviour (thanks!), which has allowed me to get it to a point = where I think it would benefit from wider feedback. I=E2=80=99ve just pushed my latest revision to worg as . Personally though, I= think it=E2=80=99s best viewed as a PDF, so I=E2=80=99ve also uploaded the PDF ex= port to . It would be great if those of you with an interest/understanding of Org=E2= =80=99s syntax could have a look and let me know what you think. I think the best way to compare to the current org-syntax.org would be to put them side-by-side. I= =E2=80=99ve attempted to list the main changes I=E2=80=99ve made in the appendix, howev= er I=E2=80=99ve likely missed things. Lastly, having spent a while looking at the syntax, I=E2=80=99m wondering i= f we should take this opportunity to mark some of the syntactic elements we=E2=80=99ve = become less happy with as *(depreciated)*. I=E2=80=99m specifically thinking of the TeX= -style LaTeX fragments which have been a bit of a pain. To quote Nicolas in org-syntax.o= rg: It would introduce incompatibilities with previous Org versions, but support for `$...$' (and for symmetry, `$$...$$') constructs ought to be removed. They are slow to parse, fragile, redundant and imply false positives. =E2=80=94 ngz Marking this as depreciated would have no effect on Org=E2=80=99s current b= ehaviour, but we could: 1. Mark as depreciated now-ish 2. Add a utility to convert from TeX-style to LaTeX-style 3. Add org lint/fortification warnings 4. A while later (half a decade? more?) actually remove support The other component of the syntax which feels particularly awkward to me is source block switches. They seem a bit odd, and since arguments exist, completely redundant. =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95= =E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2= =80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80= =95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95=E2=80=95 That=E2=80=99s all for now, I hope you all had a great Christmas and new ye= ar! All the best, Timothy --==-=-= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =

Hi All,

I=E2=80=99ve talked about adding citation syntax to the org-syntax document= before, and previously expressed the thought that it could be generally improved quite a bit. This has culminated me in spending the last few days straight working = on a rewrite of org-syntax.org to try to bring it closer to the point where we c= an knock =E2=80=9C(draft)=E2=80=9D out of the title =F0=9F=99=82.

Ihor has been a tremendous help pointing out inaccuracies and explaining so= me of the parsing behaviour (thanks!), which has allowed me to get it to a point = where I think it would benefit from wider feedback.

I=E2=80=99ve just pushed my latest revision to worg as https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax-edited.html. Pers= onally though, I think it=E2=80=99s best viewed as a PDF, so I=E2=80=99= ve also uploaded the PDF export to https://0x0.st= /oiM5.pdf.

It would be great if those of you with an interest/understanding of Org=E2= =80=99s syntax could have a look and let me know what you think. I think the best way to compare to the current org-syntax.org would be to put them side-by-side. I= =E2=80=99ve attempted to list the main changes I=E2=80=99ve made in the appendix, howev= er I=E2=80=99ve likely missed things.

Lastly, having spent a while looking at the syntax, I=E2=80=99m wondering i= f we should take this opportunity to mark some of the syntactic elements we=E2=80=99ve = become less happy with as (depreciated)= . I=E2=80=99m specifically thinking of the TeX-style LaTeX fragments which have been a bit of a pain. To quote Nicolas in org-syntax.o= rg:

It would introduce incompatibilities with previous Org versions, but support for $...$ (and for symmetry, $$...$$) constructs ought to be removed.

They are slow to parse, fragile, redundant and imply false positives. =E2=80=94 ngz

Marking this as depreciated would have no effect on Org=E2=80=99s current b= ehaviour, but we could:

  1. Mark as depreciated now-= ish
  2. Add a utility to convert from TeX-style to LaTeX-style
  3. Add org lint/fortification warnings
  4. A while later (half a decade? more?) actually remove support

The other component of the syntax which feels particularly awkward to me is source block switches. They seem a bit odd, and since arguments exist, completely redundant.

That=E2=80=99s all for now, I hope you all had a great Christmas and new ye= ar!

All the best,
Timothy

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