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Ihor Radchenko writes: > Fair point. Paypal requires non-free javascript. Github as well, > AFAIK. I've removed the GitHub Sponsors and Paypal links from orgmode.org. I've not removed the link to https://liberapay.com: I suppose it is usable without requiring non-free Javascript, but I've not checked. If someone wants to check, that'd be appreciated. I've not removed every links to github.com on orgmode.org: e.g. the link to TEC's homepage at the bottom of the website is still here. The reason is that browsing TEC's GitHub profile does not require non-free Javascript: I can browse it fine with M-x eww. I guess we shall remove references to non-free software (like the Sublime Text editor - I will do this later on.) > While orgmode.org is not developed in the same repository with the Org > mode itself, I have a gut feeling that we still have to follow GNU > coding standards on the website. Yes -- please report other problems for orgmode.org. > However, WORG contains links to various blogs, reddit, > stackoverflow, and even youtube and it feels right. I notice that I > am confused. I would like to hear Bastien's opinion on the topic. Here is my view on this: the orgmode.org website is part of the GNU project because Org is part of the GNU project, hence the root pages of https://orgmode.org should follow the GNU standards. Worg is different: it is a community-driven documentation about Org. Even though worg contents are licensed under GNU FDL, they are not part of the GNU project. If needed, we can make this clearer on the website or even host worg on a dedicated domain name. -- Bastien