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A patch enhancing the .css will make 1000 > > persons happiers each day. > > So far it was an obscure discussion for, but as a visitor of > orgmode.org/worg I now feel concerned. What's wrong with Worg's > styling? A specific example might be enlightening. (Enhancement for > some can be deterioration for others.) > As a simple example, try increasing the font size and see what happens to the menus. Keep in mind that some users require a very large font (for example, I use a 26 or 28 pt font. The current site is not good from an accessibility perspective, renders inconsistently with different browsers, does not have consistent keyboard navigation, arguably has inconsistent styling in some areas etc. If you are able to use the defaults (default font and size, default fg/bg colors, normal 'desktop' screen, things seem ok. However, once you need different fonts, different size text, different fg/bg colors or are using a mobile device or assistive technologies, like a screen reader, things rapidly degrade. There have also been numerous other issues (many have already been addressed) such as broken links, links to data which doesn't exist or has wrong MIME type, issues associated with file name case etc. There is also a fair amount of inconsistency in how pages are presented - some seem to have good navigation support while others do not, some pages seem to fit into an overall 'site map' while others seem to be out in their own island etc. As a result, the ability to effectively browse the site and follow 'threads' of information is often challenging. Perhaps even more unfortunate is that sometimes, you can come across some good information in the worg site, but finding that same information again at a latter date is often extremely challenging.