From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Richard Lawrence Subject: Re: Citations, continued Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:07:15 -0800 Message-ID: <86wq3pkxpo.fsf@berkeley.edu> References: <87vbjmn6wy.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87h9v3li8t.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d078ff.b044440a.06ec.3cf6@mx.google.com> <87d25rkmag.fsf@berkeley.edu> <54d1bc7b.c57d440a.3c5d.2dca@mx.google.com> <87vbjh284z.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87mw4tk4m7.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87oap7z664.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87fvaibr3k.fsf@berkeley.edu> <87y4o9s5qc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87d25kpxap.fsf@pank.eu> <87k2zsso3w.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87vbjcoewx.fsf@gmx.us> <87bnl4shqg.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87h9uwwmgt.fsf@gmx.us> <87zj8oqqtz.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87386eywus.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87r3tydswi.fsf@gmx.us> <861tlxn3c5.fsf@berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLMi7-0004l2-Ea for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:07:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLMi4-00037K-6U for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:07:27 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLMi3-00037D-WE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:07:24 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLMi1-0001RA-ON for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 03:07:21 +0100 Received: from c-67-169-117-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([67.169.117.151]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 03:07:21 +0100 Received: from richard.lawrence by c-67-169-117-151.hsd1.ca.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 03:07:21 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Stefan, Stefan Nobis writes: > Richard Lawrence writes: > >> Rasmus writes: > >>> Citation types for extracting parts: >>> citeauthor, citetitle, citeyear, citedate, citeurl, > >> As I've said in other posts, I think maybe we should not think of >> these as `citation' commands and thus don't need to represent them >> in citation syntax. Instead I suggest we give authors tools to >> insert this information into documents directly. > > This would render changes quite hard. Maybe I misspelled something in > the database or I choosed the wrong reference: With above part > extractors all I have to do at most is to replace the @key. But if > data is copied verbatim, I have to search for all years, author names, > titles, urls etc. Very error prone. That's true, and I realize that's a disadvantage. (Though I think these are errors that, for the most part, normal proof-reading will correct anyway.) I know these commands are convenient, and that not having them would introduce this class of errors, but the question is whether they are so important that it's worth providing an equivalent for them in non-LaTeX backends. For my part, it seems like the convenience is not worth the effort that would be required to make the exporter handle these correctly in general. (For example, it seems the exporter would then have to worry about things like quoting and emphasizing document titles -- which means worrying about context, document type, locale and language, quotation styles, etc.) But maybe I'm wrong; can you make the case that it is indeed worth it? Best, Richard