From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Pinard?= Subject: Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: <86ppy9uswv.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> References: <87vc82r6fc.fsf@krugs.de> <87k3oir2a3.fsf@krugs.de> <86r4iqbjod.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> <20130404174117.GB11897@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UO4fb-00075B-Ec for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:19:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UO4fZ-0007MT-Qx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:18:59 -0400 Received: from 206-248-137-202.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.137.202]:56517 helo=mercure.bureau.ubity.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UO4fZ-0007MJ-Kz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:18:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20130404174117.GB11897@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> (Suvayu Ali's message of "Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Suvayu Ali writes: > For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more > closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow. > 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my > email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck! It would be so appealing if Emacs was really using threading for its windows. Tom Tromey seems to be making a very courageous attempt at it, but is still hitting various problems and walls. I wonder if he will succeed at the end. In my case, Emacs is indeed stuck for a few seconds, not enough to bother me significantly. I read that some people combine fetchmail, procmail and other tools so Emacs does not IMAP itself; I just did not want to dive into all the locking and synchronization issues implied by such tools. > 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That > does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where > Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that > out in the wild, so let's let it slide. > 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir > folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! > maildir > =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 .nnmaildir > =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 cur > =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 new > =E2=94=94=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 tmp > I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes > about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a > problem for large mailboxes. I never really studies IMAP, and use it rather naively, so I take your word about Gnus not being straight about it. Sorry to hear that. I've not been bitten yet, or maybe I'm just too naive to know. However, I remember that I often had to read Gnus structures in external, non-Emacs programs, and it is indeed a challenge each time. I merely try to not do that anymore! :-) > I use mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch integration) and emacsclient. With > support for linking using org-notmuch, I couldn't be happier. Thanks for the hints, which I save, could be useful one day, who knows! :-) When I left Emacs for other lands, years ago, I decided for Mutt and used it for many years (before switching to others, and finally Thunderbird). With many stunts (a bit too much of them should I say), I could get Mutt to do about anything I wanted (but never had such success with Thunderbird). Back to Gnus, and configuring it as little as I can, I have the impression of recovering some simplicity on the user side. Moreover, Org nicely plays with Gnus (or almost). Fran=C3=A7ois