From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Masterson Subject: The Org Package Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:32:10 -0700 Message-ID: <86ob07e0r9.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WYnkB-0006km-JR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:32:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WYnk4-00088l-2u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:32:35 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:38763) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WYnk3-00088B-Sk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:32:28 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WYnk0-0007V8-2c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:32:24 +0200 Received: from 71-84-12-50.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com ([71.84.12.50]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:32:24 +0200 Received: from dsmasterson by 71-84-12-50.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:32:24 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org I still need more understanding of the Emacs packaging system. Something doesn't seem right and I'm sure I'm missing some key in understanding how its supposed to work. What I see right now seems like something doesn't match up -- particularly with the Org package: 1. Most modern Emacs have Org pre-installed. 2. Unfortunately, that Org is not up-to-date (24.3 has 7.9.3f). 3. Therefore, installing the latest Org package seems natural. 4. However, this does not uninstall the built-in Org package. 5. Packages are not initialized until after .emacs is run. 6. Therefore, any of the latest variables are not defined yet. 7. Therefore, setting a hook may not do what you think. 8. The documentation for Org suggests hooks (etc.) to set. 9. I've run into times when org-version was still 7.9.3f. Do you see where I'm heading? Does anyone else run into this problem? Or do most people ignore the Org package and install the latest from GitHub in a more manual process (a la Bernt Hansen's paper)? Do we need more concrete documentation on setting up the Org Package? -- David Masterson