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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: org-assert-version considered harmful
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 05:13:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86k065ag62.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr10e2ilr.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>


Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> In my book step 3 above is a mistake (even if moved to step 2).
>> I am confused.
>> AFAIK, changing the load-path is a common way for users to install
>> packages manually.
>
> No, you're not confused, I just think that installing packages manually
> (including messing with `load-path` and writing `(autoload ...)` in your
> init file) is very last century :-)
>

but Emacs *is* last century! :-)

It is the fact we *can* manipulate load-path, autoloads and manually
control what is installed which makes it so powerful. See how far you
get when a core VS Code extension you rely on changes in a manner you
don't like and you want to revert to the previous version.

I know your comment was tongue in cheek, but I also do see some danger
in a future where we only interact with the well defined 'surface' layer
of software like Emacs and only a few hard core devs actually get into
crafting their init.el file.

It could be the reason we seem to be seeing an increase in the type of
issues which kicked this off is because fewer people are familiar with
manipulating load-path and autoloads, Less familiarity means less
familiarity with the common pitfalls and issues you may run into. 


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-14 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-12 18:27 org-assert-version considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  1:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13  2:16   ` Timothy
2022-09-13  2:53   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13  3:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 13:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-13 14:42         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-13 16:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14  2:46             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-14 14:08               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-14 19:13                 ` Tim Cross [this message]
2022-09-25  2:39               ` Bastien
2022-09-25  3:15                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25  4:27                   ` Timothy
2022-09-25  9:37                   ` Bastien
2022-09-25  9:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 10:24                       ` Bastien
2022-09-25 11:10                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 11:26                           ` Bastien
2022-09-25 12:16                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:18                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:15                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 12:20                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 13:16                               ` Bastien
2022-09-26 11:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27 21:35                   ` Bastien
2022-10-31 14:11                     ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 20:16                       ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann
2022-10-31 20:40                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-10-31 23:16                       ` Tim Cross
2022-11-01  6:09                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-02 20:42                         ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-11-03  7:51                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-03 17:30                             ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-02  8:16                               ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-02  6:45                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-04  4:22                                   ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-04  4:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-04 11:12                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 11:08                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 12:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-16 12:41                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-16 13:41                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18  9:37                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 13:33                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 13:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-08-18 14:26                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-18 14:29                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 16:43                                           ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-17 16:59                                             ` Ihor Radchenko

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