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I'd better focus on improving Org rather than trying to engage > into legal complexities. Even if it was violated, this is not something the maintainers are empowered to act on anyway. Org mode is part of Emacs and the FSF owns the copyright. If there is any GPL violation, the FSF has a whole legal team which deal with such matters. It certainly isn't something maintainers or arm chair lawyers are able to address. Also, based on my limited legal experience and past dealings with trademarks, copyright and licenses, I don't think there has been either a GPL license violation or a trade mark violation. However, if someone believes differently, they should refer the matter to the FSF legal office.