* [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond
@ 2011-02-15 1:02 Thorsten
2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy
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0 siblings, 5 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten @ 2011-02-15 1:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello Babel developers,
just two suggestions for new languages:
1. GRASS GIS
As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are
successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS.
Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the GRASS
engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse the data
with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of emacs-grassmode
replacement.
2. Lilypond
A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community.
Regards
Thorsten
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten @ 2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy 2011-02-15 8:19 ` Thorsten 2011-02-15 9:11 ` Rainer M Krug ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2011-02-15 2:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 809 bytes --] On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Thorsten < gruenderteam.berlin@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hello Babel developers, > just two suggestions for new languages: > 2. Lilypond > A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. > I've used Lilypond and think it's amazing. But... what advantage is having it in org? Just curious... integration in foldable headlines and src blocks? For my uses, I can't think of a purpose unless, I guess, I was doing in-document scores or bars like in a wedding program or something. What was your idea -- I'm interested. John > Regards > Thorsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1406 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy @ 2011-02-15 8:19 ` Thorsten 2011-02-15 17:15 ` John Hendy 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2011-02-15 8:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > I've used Lilypond and think it's amazing. But... what advantage is > having it in org? Just curious... integration in foldable headlines > and src blocks? For my uses, I can't think of a purpose unless, I > guess, I was doing in-document scores or bars like in a wedding > program or something. What was your idea -- I'm interested. > > John I thought about writing a music book with the typesetting done by LaTex and Lilypond. I know it should work just like combining R and LaTex with Sweave, but the last time I tried I had problems - integration in Org could make it easy. And, since nowadays books are shared on the web for free and the author starves, one might want to reuse the content in the setting of an online music school. Orgmode's html export would make this easy. Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 8:19 ` Thorsten @ 2011-02-15 17:15 ` John Hendy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2011-02-15 17:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1323 bytes --] On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Thorsten < gruenderteam.berlin@googlemail.com> wrote: > John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > > > I've used Lilypond and think it's amazing. But... what advantage is > > having it in org? Just curious... integration in foldable headlines > > and src blocks? For my uses, I can't think of a purpose unless, I > > guess, I was doing in-document scores or bars like in a wedding > > program or something. What was your idea -- I'm interested. > > > > John > > I thought about writing a music book with the typesetting done by LaTex > and Lilypond. I know it should work just like combining R and LaTex with > Sweave, but the last time I tried I had problems - integration in Org > could make it easy. And, since nowadays books are shared on the web for > free and the author starves, one might want to reuse the content in the > setting of an online music school. Orgmode's html export would make this > easy. > > Cool -- this was along my thoughts. I like it! I agree it can't be that hard to integrate. It's a pretty simple markup. John > Thorsten > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2179 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten 2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy @ 2011-02-15 9:11 ` Rainer M Krug 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2011-02-15 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2011 02:02 AM, Thorsten wrote: > Hello Babel developers, > just two suggestions for new languages: > 1. GRASS GIS > As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are > successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS. > Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the GRASS > engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse the data > with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of emacs-grassmode > replacement. I second that - but what would be really needed to make this work nicely, is syntax highlighting for grass commands. And in addition, GRASS scripts are shell scripts - so one should be able to use a combination of :session and sh code blocks to run GRASS commands without problems (haven't tried it yet, but nice idea). The only question would be on how can I start a shell, in which I start GRASS in which I run the R shell? Well - what I did was to start GRASS in xterm, in GRASS start emacs with & and when I started R in emacs, it was running in GRASS. Is this what you mean, or am I missing here something? Rainer > 2. Lilypond > A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. > Regards > Thorsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Natural Sciences Building Office Suite 2039 Stellenbosch University Main Campus, Merriman Avenue Stellenbosch South Africa Tel: +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +27 - (0)8 39 47 90 42 Fax (SA): +27 - (0)8 65 16 27 82 Fax (D) : +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 Fax (FR): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1aQzAACgkQoYgNqgF2egr0mQCfXqXrPJ8So4ImFsDJr2VRWkSw i9sAnRO099FuJ8ymXJNfF6HDPBKbDkH7 =Mb70 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten 2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy 2011-02-15 9:11 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe 2011-02-15 10:08 ` Bastien 2011-02-16 21:21 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-15 18:46 ` Eric Schulte 2011-02-18 22:39 ` Thorsten 4 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2011-02-15 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Earlier thread on Lilypond: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 CM On 2/15/11 2:02 AM, Thorsten wrote: > Hello Babel developers, > just two suggestions for new languages: > 1. GRASS GIS > As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are > successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS. > Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the GRASS > engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse the data > with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of emacs-grassmode > replacement. > 2. Lilypond > A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. > Regards > Thorsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe @ 2011-02-15 10:08 ` Bastien 2011-02-16 21:21 ` Shelagh Manton 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2011-02-15 10:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mail; +Cc: Thorsten, emacs-orgmode Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> writes: > Earlier thread on Lilypond: > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 Yes. I had the opportunity to discuss this with Stefan at FOSDEM... it's something that may happen at sometimes :) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe 2011-02-15 10:08 ` Bastien @ 2011-02-16 21:21 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-17 18:40 ` Martyn Jago 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-16 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:19 +0100, Christian Moe wrote: > Earlier thread on Lilypond: > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 > I did end up doing some work on this. I got it to the stage of creating the lilypond images but having some difficulties with paths etc. ie the file exists but not where org-babel expects to find it. So it does not show up in the file in a results block. I've been so busy, I have not visited this problem at all recently. Perhaps if someone is interested to help we could work on this together. I could put it on github. Let me know. Shelagh > CM > > On 2/15/11 2:02 AM, Thorsten wrote: >> Hello Babel developers, >> just two suggestions for new languages: 1. GRASS GIS >> As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert >> people are successful running grass processes together with R processes >> in ESS. Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use >> the GRASS engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then >> analyse the data with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of >> emacs-grassmode replacement. >> 2. Lilypond >> A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. Regards >> Thorsten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >> list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> > > _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing > list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-16 21:21 ` Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-17 18:40 ` Martyn Jago 2011-02-20 20:37 ` Shelagh Manton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Martyn Jago @ 2011-02-17 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi I would be interested in a solution to lilypond within org, and would be happy to fork on github and help out (I currently have some time too). Martyn Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com> writes: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:19 +0100, Christian Moe wrote: > >> Earlier thread on Lilypond: >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 >> > > I did end up doing some work on this. I got it to the stage of creating > the lilypond images but having some difficulties with paths etc. ie the > file exists but not where org-babel expects to find it. So it does not > show up in the file in a results block. > > I've been so busy, I have not visited this problem at all recently. > Perhaps if someone is interested to help we could work on this together. > I could put it on github. Let me know. > > Shelagh > >> CM >> >> On 2/15/11 2:02 AM, Thorsten wrote: >>> Hello Babel developers, >>> just two suggestions for new languages: 1. GRASS GIS >>> As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert >>> people are successful running grass processes together with R processes >>> in ESS. Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use >>> the GRASS engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then >>> analyse the data with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of >>> emacs-grassmode replacement. >>> 2. Lilypond >>> A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. Regards >>> Thorsten >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >>> list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >> list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-17 18:40 ` Martyn Jago @ 2011-02-20 20:37 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-20 20:42 ` Shelagh Manton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-20 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:23 +0000, Martyn Jago wrote: > Hi > > I would be interested in a solution to lilypond within org, and would be > happy to fork on github and help out (I currently have some time too). > > Martyn Ok Martyn, I've put what I have done in a git repo on github. git@github.com:sshelagh/ob-lilypond.git Things that need looking into. The paths that are being generated so that the results block can find the images. The lilypond commands that tell it to make a "snippet" picture. I started looking into this as it seems to have changed since I last used lilypond this way. I researched the switches but never actually tested them. -D preview. I wonder how the changing syntax of lilypond can be dealt with? Will we need to test for lilypond versions? Best wishes Shelagh > > Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:19 +0100, Christian Moe wrote: >> >>> Earlier thread on Lilypond: >>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 >>> >>> >> I did end up doing some work on this. I got it to the stage of creating >> the lilypond images but having some difficulties with paths etc. ie the >> file exists but not where org-babel expects to find it. So it does not >> show up in the file in a results block. >> >> I've been so busy, I have not visited this problem at all recently. >> Perhaps if someone is interested to help we could work on this >> together. I could put it on github. Let me know. >> >> Shelagh >> >>> CM >>> >>> On 2/15/11 2:02 AM, Thorsten wrote: >>>> Hello Babel developers, >>>> just two suggestions for new languages: 1. GRASS GIS As far as I know >>>> there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are >>>> successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS. >>>> Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the >>>> GRASS engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse >>>> the data with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of >>>> emacs-grassmode replacement. >>>> 2. Lilypond >>>> A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. Regards >>>> Thorsten >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >>>> list >>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >>> list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing >> list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing > list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-20 20:37 ` Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-20 20:42 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-21 13:01 ` Martyn Jago 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-20 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:37:19 +0000, Shelagh Manton wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:23 +0000, Martyn Jago wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I would be interested in a solution to lilypond within org, and would >> be happy to fork on github and help out (I currently have some time >> too). >> >> Martyn > > Ok Martyn, > > I've put what I have done in a git repo on github. > > git@github.com:sshelagh/ob-lilypond.git > > Things that need looking into. > > The paths that are being generated so that the results block can find > the images. > > The lilypond commands that tell it to make a "snippet" picture. I > started looking into this as it seems to have changed since I last used > lilypond this way. I researched the switches but never actually tested > them. -D preview. > > I wonder how the changing syntax of lilypond can be dealt with? Will we > need to test for lilypond versions? > > Best wishes > > Shelagh > > > >> Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:19 +0100, Christian Moe wrote: >>> >>>> Earlier thread on Lilypond: >>>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 >>>> >>>> Oops! I think this is the write access address. The following is the non- write access address. git://github.com/sshelagh/ob-lilypond.git Shelagh [snip] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-20 20:42 ` Shelagh Manton @ 2011-02-21 13:01 ` Martyn Jago 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Martyn Jago @ 2011-02-21 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com> writes: > On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:37:19 +0000, Shelagh Manton wrote: > >> On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:40:23 +0000, Martyn Jago wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I would be interested in a solution to lilypond within org, and would >>> be happy to fork on github and help out (I currently have some time >>> too). >>> >>> Martyn >> >> Ok Martyn, >> >> I've put what I have done in a git repo on github. >> >> git@github.com:sshelagh/ob-lilypond.git >> >> Things that need looking into. >> >> The paths that are being generated so that the results block can find >> the images. >> >> The lilypond commands that tell it to make a "snippet" picture. I >> started looking into this as it seems to have changed since I last used >> lilypond this way. I researched the switches but never actually tested >> them. -D preview. >> >> I wonder how the changing syntax of lilypond can be dealt with? Will we >> need to test for lilypond versions? >> >> Best wishes >> >> Shelagh >> >> >> >>> Shelagh Manton <shelagh.manton@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:19 +0100, Christian Moe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Earlier thread on Lilypond: >>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/31324 >>>>> >>>>> > > Oops! I think this is the write access address. The following is the non- > write access address. > > git://github.com/sshelagh/ob-lilypond.git > > Shelagh > [snip] > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Hi Shelagh Thanks, I'll take a look. Regards Martyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe @ 2011-02-15 18:46 ` Eric Schulte 2011-02-16 9:14 ` Rainer M Krug 2011-02-18 22:39 ` Thorsten 4 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-02-15 18:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thorsten; +Cc: emacs-orgmode I am happy to answer questions and provide suggestions for anyone who is interested in developing support for these (or any other) additional languages. I would recommend looking at existing languages which are similar to the new language for guidance/examples. In the case of GRASS, it sounds as though GRASS is a sub[super]-set of R? Would it be possible to simply use the existing R support in babel only specify a non-R command to be run to start interactive sessions? Best -- Eric Thorsten <gruenderteam.berlin@googlemail.com> writes: > Hello Babel developers, > just two suggestions for new languages: > 1. GRASS GIS > As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are > successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS. > Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the GRASS > engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse the data > with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of emacs-grassmode > replacement. > 2. Lilypond > A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. > Regards > Thorsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 18:46 ` Eric Schulte @ 2011-02-16 9:14 ` Rainer M Krug 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2011-02-16 9:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: Thorsten, emacs-orgmode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2011 07:46 PM, Eric Schulte wrote: > I am happy to answer questions and provide suggestions for anyone who is > interested in developing support for these (or any other) additional > languages. I would recommend looking at existing languages which are > similar to the new language for guidance/examples. > > In the case of GRASS, it sounds as though GRASS is a sub[super]-set of > R? No - GRASS can be described as a collection of commands which are executed in the shell after some environmental variables are set. So GRASS is rather a super set of a bash shell. So an implementation of GRASS could easily build on how sh code blocks are hab=ndled in org. Interactive GRASS sessions are effectively sh sessions with adapted $PATH variable and a few environmental variables, to make the GRASS commands accessible. So really the easiest would be to use the existing sh support, set the environmental variables, set the $PATH and execute the commands. The environmental variables could be defined in :var - so actually that should not be a problem. Syntax highlighting could be based on sh with added commands in the added $PATH - should not be to difficult (theoretically...). > Would it be possible to simply use the existing R support in babel > only specify a non-R command to be run to start interactive sessions? Well - R, like python which is becoming the "official" scripting language for GRASS, has a set of commands to interface with GRASS - so using R (or python) would not be a useful approach. There is an R package (spGRASS6) which is doing exactly what I mentioned above (setting the $PATH and the environmental variables) to be able to execute grass commands from within R - (with the syntax execGRASS( "COMMAND", ... ) So one could look at that command (initGRASS() I think it is called) to see what is necessary - or just execute grass: grass -text GISBASE/LOCATION_NAME/MAPSET ########################################## rkrug@ecolmod:~/deb$ grass --help Usage: grass64 [-h | -help | --help] [-v | --version] [-c] [-text | -gui | -tcltk | -oldtcltk | -wxpython | -wx] [[[<GISDBASE>/]<LOCATION_NAME>/]<MAPSET>] Flags: -h or -help or --help print this help message -v or --version show version information and exit -c create given mapset if it doesn't exist -text use text based interface and set as default -gui use graphical user interface (wxpython by default) and set as default -tcltk use Tcl/Tk based graphical user interface and set as default -oldtcltk use old Tcl/Tk based graphical user interface and set as default -wxpython or -wx use wxPython based graphical user interface and set as default Parameters: GISDBASE initial database (path to GIS data) LOCATION_NAME initial location MAPSET initial mapset GISDBASE/LOCATION_NAME/MAPSET fully qualified initial mapset directory Environment variables relevant for startup: GRASS_GUI select GUI (text, gui, tcltk, oldtcltk, wxpython) GRASS_TCLSH set tclsh shell name to override 'tclsh' GRASS_WISH set wish shell name to override 'wish' GRASS_HTML_BROWSER set html web browser for help pages GRASS_ADDON_PATH set additional path(s) to local GRASS modules GRASS_BATCH_JOB shell script to be processed as batch job GRASS_PYTHON set python shell name to override 'python' rkrug@ecolmod:~/deb$ ########################################## So it should be doable relatively easily I guess. So the environmental variables needed would be: GISDBASE initial database (path to GIS data) LOCATION_NAME initial location MAPSET initial mapset So that GRASS can build GISDBASE/LOCATION_NAME/MAPSET fully qualified initial mapset directory Thinking of it, a GRASS code block #+begin_src grass ... #+end_src would be a sh code block, in which as the first command "grass -text" is executed, i.e. #+begin_src grass grass -text ... #+end_src For tangling: GRASS scripts are executed usually from within GRASS, so they are normal sh scripts (same shebang and all) So implementation should be rather straight forward, I think? Just a side note: as GRASS installs in addition to the command grass also a command "grass64" for version 6.4 etc, it would be nice to have the command "grass" modifiable. Cheers, Rainer > > Best -- Eric > > Thorsten <gruenderteam.berlin@googlemail.com> writes: > >> Hello Babel developers, >> just two suggestions for new languages: >> 1. GRASS GIS >> As far as I know there is no grass-mode in emacs, but some expert people are >> successful running grass processes together with R processes in ESS. >> Since GRASS and R are natural allies, it would be great to use the GRASS >> engine in an org-file to retrieve spatial data and then analyse the data >> with R in the same file - would make Org a kind of emacs-grassmode >> replacement. >> 2. Lilypond >> A nice to have for all the music lovers in the org community. >> Regards >> Thorsten >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - -- Rainer M. 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* Re: [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2011-02-15 18:46 ` Eric Schulte @ 2011-02-18 22:39 ` Thorsten 4 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Thorsten @ 2011-02-18 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hello, sorry for not participating in the discussion, but my exposition to Orgmode has been recent so I would not have been able to commit something valuable to the discussion. But I would be a happy user of both new babel languages grass gis and lilypond, and it seems I'm not alone. Especially in the grass gis case it would be really helpfull if an expert ecologist on the list ;) could write a little tutorial on Worg, once the grass functionality is available, showing how to do literate GIS-programming in an org-file, using and integrating all three languages (grass, R, python). Thanks for considering my suggestions Thorsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2011-02-21 13:01 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 15+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2011-02-15 1:02 [babel] Suggestions: GRASS GIS und Lilypond Thorsten 2011-02-15 2:57 ` John Hendy 2011-02-15 8:19 ` Thorsten 2011-02-15 17:15 ` John Hendy 2011-02-15 9:11 ` Rainer M Krug 2011-02-15 9:59 ` Christian Moe 2011-02-15 10:08 ` Bastien 2011-02-16 21:21 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-17 18:40 ` Martyn Jago 2011-02-20 20:37 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-20 20:42 ` Shelagh Manton 2011-02-21 13:01 ` Martyn Jago 2011-02-15 18:46 ` Eric Schulte 2011-02-16 9:14 ` Rainer M Krug 2011-02-18 22:39 ` Thorsten
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