From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id gG9MLaC/ZGDPKQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:29:52 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id cC8MJ6C/ZGDrAgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:29:52 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADDEEFFC9 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33390 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRfbC-0005CJ-Id for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:29:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55022) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRfaJ-0005C0-Fd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:28:55 -0400 Received: from mail-out01.uio.no ([2001:700:100:10::50]:41753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRfaG-0001Uk-JQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:28:54 -0400 Received: from mail-mx10.uio.no ([129.240.10.27]) by mail-out01.uio.no with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93.0.4) (envelope-from ) id 1lRfaA-0006On-3b; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:28:46 +0200 Received: from cm-84.209.16.135.getinternet.no ([84.209.16.135] helo=sputnik.shmi.ifi.uio.no) by mail-mx10.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) user msteffen (Exim 4.93.0.4) (envelope-from ) id 1lRfa9-000Dy6-Bm; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:28:46 +0200 From: Martin Steffen To: Juan Manuel =?utf-8?Q?Mac=C3=ADas?= Subject: Re: About exporting Organization: IFI UiO Norway References: <88a3facd-2f95-42b7-135a-d2ec6a730ba7@gmail.com> <86tuosdfh6.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> <86pmzgd7zm.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> <87o8f0wsr5.fsf@posteo.net> <87pmzfhcep.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:28:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pmzfhcep.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> (Eric S. 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A light markup language is more comfortable and >> efficient for me. Eric> Totally agree! Although, over the years, I have written many Eric> papers in LaTeX directly, in the past decade I have Eric> increasingly relied on org as the writing tool. It imposes Eric> much less friction on the creative process and, as you say, it Eric> enables better management of the writing task. And, as it Eric> gives direct access to LaTeX when necessary, you lose nothing Eric> by writing in org. I would not go so far as not recommend latex (over org) for _anyone_ at all. I for my part will stick with latex for a certain documents; for others, org is better (has to do with the mentioned creative process, and other advantages). However, I write papers heavy in math-notation (in the more theoretical corners of conmputer science). There is a lot of math discplay (and I like to rely heavily on macros etc). For me, part of the preference of latex is the ratio between math and similar things over ``text''. a blog-like text (not heavy on math), or a note, or a wiki-like document etc, all that's great with org. For math-typesetting, that's less of a ``creative flow of ideas thing''. Of course, as having been mentioned, I can always escape to latex inline or for displays etc. And I can also import my macro-definitions etc (and I do that). But actually, when typing, I think I am faster in latex. There are a couple of features, I like (and my muscle-memory of my fingers rely in them) in latex-modes of emacs. Tab completion for environments and macros, remembering the last environments I used, support of bibtex (like also completion or showing the reference). Indentention of environments plus highlighting. And last not least; if I ``compile'' the document (firing off latex, bibtex, or index or whatever), the compilation runs in the background. As far as I do that in org (exporting to pdf), it blocks emacs. Not that it's a huge delay even, at least for smaller documents, I hate that an editor or some tool is slower than me, it gets on my nerves if the computer slows me down. And there is a final thing which (for me) seem to work better in latex-mode compared to org. That's jumping to the ``next error'' with some key stroke. That's important, LaTeX's own error output it quite poor, but jumping to error locations is vital. I would not be surprised if some of that is somehow supported by org as well (for TeX), only I have not figured it out, or perhaps I was too lazy to figure it out how. Too lazy because LateX mode works for me fine even for challenging and long documents (where for simpler ones or where the focus is not on typesetting org works). Martin Eric> And *tables*! Enough said. :-) Eric> But, as always, YMMV. Eric> -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org Eric> release_9.4.4-254-g37749c