From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Bao Haojun" Subject: Re: org-jira.el... and Org conventions (Bastien, Carsten and all) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:53:26 +0800 Message-ID: <85obuk4wax.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86hb0ez4qr.fsf@gmail.com> <80ipkt6wfe.fsf@somewhere.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6io-0002M2-1N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:56:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6im-0001r5-Ee for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:56:18 -0500 Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:50852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6im-0001qy-8d for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:56:16 -0500 Received: by iacb35 with SMTP id b35so34164226iac.0 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:56:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80ipkt6wfe.fsf@somewhere.org> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:07:49 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Sebastien Vauban Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Sebastien, "Sebastien Vauban" writes: > Hi Bao, > > "Bao Haojun" wrote: >> I have implemented org-jira.el, bringing org-mode and Jira system >> together. >> >> Wrote a Wiki page for it on emacswiki: >> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OrgJiraMode >> >> Hope somebody find it useful, if he/she is also using Jira and loves >> org-mode. > > I had never heard of Jira, but your work definitely looks very promising. > IMHO, it should be compared with org-x and its extension to Redmine, among > others. Thanks for the praise! Jira is a "commercial" issue tracker, but it also seems to be OSS friendly (by allowing OSS community to use the software for free; Apache is using it, see http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheJira). Likewise I had not heard of org-x and Redmine, thanks for letting me know. > > But this triggers, for me, another "concern" which is the very wide variety of > ways to define the same thing. > ... > So, my point is: wouldn't it be better if we proposed standard properties in > Org (in the manual), and implemented mappings in the Org "integration" > packages (org-jira, org-taskjuggler, org-redmine and the like)? > > So, say for example that, from now on, it's more standard in Org to use > "Assignee" (or anything else) for representing who's assigned a task, and have > every package map the property "Assignee" to whatever keyword used in external > tools for representing that concept? I can see your point, that standard thing is good, if it's already here, I will definitely try comply to them. But your worrying people need to transition from one system such as org-jira to another such as org-x, I think they are not very often. Because if it happens, it would mean that the COMPANY/COMMUNITY has decided to switch from Jira to Redmine, can you imagine how often that can be? Besides, even if that really happens, it would also mean the COMPANY/COMMUNITY has got a way to transition from Jira to Redmine, so there would have already been a way to transit from org-jira to org-x: org-jira -> Jira -> Redmine -> org-x (and vice versa). So my point is, if someone try to make transition easy, they should do it on the company level, such as from Jira to Redmine. Org mode feels kind of personal to me, and I feel good enough to be able to sync between company issue tracking system and my org-mode, no need for it to be able to transit to another issue tracking system's org-mode. Best Regards, Bao Haojun