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From: Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Document level property drawer
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 20:59:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84blqigjtu.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfq9gmk3.fsf@gmail.com> (Sebastian Miele's message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:18:20 +0000")


>> Sebastian Miele <sebastian.miele@gmail.com> writes:

>>> I would like to be able to make a clear distinction between properties
>>> that are visible by default and properties that are not. Maybe it would
>>> be possible to allow some #+.. syntax following headings for subtree
>>> properties that are visible by default. A requirement could be made that
>>> such property specifications always have to be followed by a property
>>> drawer, even if that is empty. Then everything #+.. that is before the
>>> property drawer would belong to the heading/subtree, and everything #+..
>>> that follows the drawer would be treated as it is until now.
>>>
>>> Please tell me if I missed something and Org is already capable of
>>> something like that. If not, are there others who would like
>>> visible-by-default property specifications for headings/subtrees in
>>> addition to invisible-by-default property specifications in drawers,
>>> too?
>>
>> I don't think Org is capable of this out of the box right now.  Further
>> I don't feel the need for a visible-by-default property, but that's just
>> me.
>
> After a few more months of living without that feature I must say that I
> basically live perfectly well without that, too. I just do not define
> source block header args in property drawers. It gets a bit verbose at
> times. But not to the degree of being painful.

Sounds good to me.

>>> Finally, I would like to state an opinion: If there is
>>> visible-by-default (by #+..) and invisible-by-default (by drawers)
>>> syntax for headings/subtrees, including level 0, it may be viable to
>>> require them to be disjoint for each heading/subtree. Most probably it
>>> would be good practice, anyway. And the precedence question raised
>>> previously in this thread would be eliminated.
>>
>> I may not feel the need for the visible/invisible-by-default properties
>> but actually I like the idea of #+ properties parallel to the property
>> drawers as visible by default properties.  But since the #+ properties
>> may appear anywhere in the Org file and affect the whole file it would
>> be difficult or even impossible to give them reliable meaning for
>> subtrees AFAICS.
>
> In the meantime I had a look into worg/dev/org-syntax.org. From the
> document: "Property drawers are a special type of drawer containing
> properties attached to a headline. They are located right after a
> headline and its planning information."

Thanks for the quote.

> So, currently, #+ properties may not appear between a heading and a
> property drawer. At least not without turning the property drawer into a
> non-special drawer. So, in principle, it would be possible to change the
> syntax of Org to allow #+ properties between headings and (possibly
> empty) property drawers in order to denote visible-by-default
> properties attached to a heading.

Sounds true AFAICS.

> Moreover, this change probably would introduce very little to no
> backwards incompatibility. With the change it would not be possible to
> turn property drawers into non-special drawers by putting a #+ property
> before them. Now it is possible to sort of uncomment property drawers by
> putting #+ properties before them. This "feature" probably is hardly
> used, if at all.

I also think this is very corner case-y.

All in all I think your idea is good.  But the masses did not scream for
that change so I think your idea is something for a wishlist to wait for
further discussion.


Best regards,
-- 
Marco

  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-01 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-29 10:27 [RFC] Document level property drawer Gustav Wikström
2019-09-29 19:13 ` Marco Wahl
2019-09-30 16:01 ` Adam Porter
2019-09-30 20:46   ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-01 12:38     ` Sebastian Miele
2020-01-13 21:52       ` Marco Wahl
2020-01-15  8:18         ` Sebastian Miele
2020-02-01 19:59           ` Marco Wahl [this message]
2019-10-01 13:55     ` Adam Porter
2019-10-02 10:29       ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-03 18:06         ` Adam Porter
2019-10-04 11:05           ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-06  1:05             ` Adam Porter
2019-10-06  5:10               ` Matt Price
2019-10-15 17:49 ` Gustav Wikström
2019-10-16  0:48   ` Adam Porter
2019-10-16  9:48   ` Marco Wahl
2020-01-20  3:27 ` [Question] adding document global properties drawer stardiviner
2020-01-21 16:40   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-01-22 16:28     ` stardiviner
2020-01-24 23:14       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-02-23  7:31         ` [SOLVED] " stardiviner
2020-02-23 13:14           ` Bastien
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-09-30 22:09 [RFC] Document level property drawer Gustav Wikström
2019-10-03 18:31 ` Adam Porter
2019-10-04 10:38   ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-06  1:01     ` Adam Porter
2019-10-07  7:46       ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-02 20:29 Gustav Wikström
2019-10-05 18:20 Gustav Wikström
2019-10-06  0:51 ` Adam Porter
2019-10-06  5:35 Gustav Wikström
2019-10-06  6:02 Gustav Wikström
2019-10-20  2:28 Gustav Wikström
2019-10-22 21:24 ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-23  8:43 ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-23  8:59   ` Gustav Wikström
2019-10-24 21:01   ` Gustav Wikström
2019-10-25 12:58     ` Marco Wahl
2019-10-23 16:08 ` Adam Porter
2019-10-24 22:29 Gustav Wikström

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