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Also, the >> question is which one should be the default. I'd actually suggest to >> turn it around: >> >> "A quotation ending without punctuation"[cite: @hoel-71-whole]. >> "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. >> >> Reason for this: People who don't care for this distinction---either >> because they use en-us only, or because they never switch from in-text >> to notes styles---will probably prefer to have a space between >> quotation and citation (in input and output). > > People who don't care for this distinction can write > > "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > > So I guess the default doesn't matter in this case? That's probably correct. > >> What about some sort of escaping for punctuation that should stay >> outside the quotation marks? >> "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]\. >> >> But, of course, that's imperfect as well. Don't know which option is >> less odd. > > Actual usage may tell. I implemented the spacing-tweak in > "wip-cite-new". You (and others) may want to try it out on real > documents and see if it feels somewhat natural. Ok, let's see if others have comments. I can for now at least confirm that the mechanism seems to work as intended. Thanks for all your work on this! Best, Denis