TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Chris Randle]

Hi Carsten,

I'm using Org-mode 6.33f under GNU Emacs 22.1.1 and Windows XP Pro SP3.

In one of my Org files, I have the line:

#+TYP_TODO: TODO NEXT WAIT PROJ | DONE NODO

But I find that, in the snippet below for example, tasks b and c are not 
dependency-blocked, i.e. I can switch them to DONE or NODO when task a 
remains in one of the non-DONE states.

* Parent
:PROPERTIES:
:ORDERED: t
:END:
** TODO a
** TODO b, needs to wait for (a)
** TODO c, needs to wait for (a) and (b)

If I switch from file-level TODO keywords to setting them globally in my 
.emacs file, thus:

(setq org-todo-keywords
   '((type "TODO" "NEXT" "WAIT" "PROJ" "|" "DONE" "NODO")))

then dependencies work as expected, i.e. tasks b and c cannot be 
switched to DONE or NODO when task a is one of TODO, NEXT, WAIT or PROJ.

Is this as intended for some reason?

-- 
Chris Randle

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.

these are blocked just fine for me, at least the first time I try.  If  
I try again immediately, the entries do switch to other non-done  
states, but not to DONE.

- Carsten

On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Chris Randle wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
> I'm using Org-mode 6.33f under GNU Emacs 22.1.1 and Windows XP Pro  
> SP3.
>
> In one of my Org files, I have the line:
>
> #+TYP_TODO: TODO NEXT WAIT PROJ | DONE NODO
>
> But I find that, in the snippet below for example, tasks b and c are  
> not dependency-blocked, i.e. I can switch them to DONE or NODO when  
> task a remains in one of the non-DONE states.
>
> * Parent
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ORDERED: t
> :END:
> ** TODO a
> ** TODO b, needs to wait for (a)
> ** TODO c, needs to wait for (a) and (b)
>
> If I switch from file-level TODO keywords to setting them globally  
> in my .emacs file, thus:
>
> (setq org-todo-keywords
>  '((type "TODO" "NEXT" "WAIT" "PROJ" "|" "DONE" "NODO")))
>
> then dependencies work as expected, i.e. tasks b and c cannot be  
> switched to DONE or NODO when task a is one of TODO, NEXT, WAIT or  
> PROJ.
>
> Is this as intended for some reason?
>
> -- 
> Chris Randle
>
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- Carsten

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.

I can reproduce it [beware, with 6.33trans 2010-01-08 version!]
      Carsten, I will update to 6.34trans in few minutes and post
      the results.

Org-mode version 6.33trans  (6.33trans)
GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON
Windows XP Pro SP3

steps to reproduce:
Open a new org file 
Yank Chris's configuration

>> #+TYP_TODO: TODO NEXT WAIT PROJ | DONE NODO
>>
>>
>> * Parent
>> :PROPERTIES:
>> :ORDERED: t
>> :END:
>> ** TODO a
>> ** TODO b, needs to wait for (a)
>> ** TODO c, needs to wait for (a) and (b)

C-c C-c on the #+TYP line to reload org-mode
leave "TODO" line b and c, 
change line "a" with S-->
the TODO state is not blocked.

Does bloking work out of the box or should I configure
some variable?

cheers,
Giovanni

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it> writes:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.
>
I can reproduce it with the latest version:

Org-mode version 6.34 (trans 2010-01-12 15:00 CET)
> GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON
> Windows XP Pro SP3

Does bloking work out of the box or should I configure
some variable(s)?

Cheers,

Giovanni

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[David Maus]

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At Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:08:08 +0100,
Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>
> Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it> writes:
>
> > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.
> >
> I can reproduce it with the latest version:
>
> Org-mode version 6.34 (trans 2010-01-12 15:00 CET)
> > GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON
> > Windows XP Pro SP3
>
> Does bloking work out of the box or should I configure
> some variable(s)?

According to the manual

http://orgmode.org/manual/TODO-dependencies.html#TODO-dependencies

You have to set the variable org-enforce-todo-dependencies to t.

Regards

 -- David
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Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes:

> At Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:08:08 +0100,
> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>> Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it> writes:
>> > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.
>> I can reproduce it with the latest version:
>> Org-mode version 6.34 (trans 2010-01-12 15:00 CET)
>> > GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON
>> > Windows XP Pro SP3
> You have to set the variable org-enforce-todo-dependencies to t.

ok David,  thanks, 

+ Setting the variable with :
  (setq org-enforce-todo-dependencies t) C-x C-e 
  does not have effect: I can change line a
+ setting the variable in my .emacs and reloading emacs
  (closed and re-run)
  does not have effect: I can still change line a

cheers,
Giovanni

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:

> David Maus <maus.david@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> At Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:08:08 +0100,
>> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>>> Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it> writes:
>>>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Hi Chris, I am not able to reproduce this.
>>> I can reproduce it with the latest version:
>>> Org-mode version 6.34 (trans 2010-01-12 15:00 CET)
>>>> GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT- 
>>>> MJASON
>>>> Windows XP Pro SP3
>> You have to set the variable org-enforce-todo-dependencies to t.
>
> ok David,  thanks,
>
> + Setting the variable with :
>  (setq org-enforce-todo-dependencies t) C-x C-e
>  does not have effect:

That is expected, see the docstring of that variable.

> I can change line a
> + setting the variable in my .emacs and reloading emacs
>  (closed and re-run)
>  does not have effect: I can still change line a

Same here, you need to set this variable *before* org.el gets loaded -  
I am
suspecting that you are setting it after?

This is kind of tricky.  Variable settings should therefore *before*  
any require statements, and also the

      (load-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el")

or similar statement must be *before* all the `require' statements.

I am curious if, after you fix this, blocking will still not work.
Please let us know.

- Carsten

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Chris Randle]

Hi Carsten et al.

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Same here, you need to set this variable *before* org.el gets loaded - I am
> suspecting that you are setting it after?
> 
> This is kind of tricky.  Variable settings should therefore *before* any 
> require statements, and also the
> 
>      (load-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el")
> 
> or similar statement must be *before* all the `require' statements.
> 
> I am curious if, after you fix this, blocking will still not work.
> Please let us know.


Thank you Carsten, and others who chipped in with help. That was my 
mistake. The org-enforce-todo-dependencies was set in my .emacs file 
within a custom-set-variables block which came after some Org require 
statements. Moving it before the require statements has fixed my problem.

I had read the help for the variable, but thought that it simply meant 
that any changes to the variable wouldn't take effect until after 
restarting the org-mode session. It hadn't occurred to me about the 
order of statements in my .emacs file.

Thanks again.

-- 
Chris Randle

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Chris Randle wrote:

> Hi Carsten et al.
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Same here, you need to set this variable *before* org.el gets  
>> loaded - I am
>> suspecting that you are setting it after?
>> This is kind of tricky.  Variable settings should therefore  
>> *before* any require statements, and also the
>>     (load-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el")
>> or similar statement must be *before* all the `require' statements.
>> I am curious if, after you fix this, blocking will still not work.
>> Please let us know.
>
>
> Thank you Carsten, and others who chipped in with help. That was my  
> mistake. The org-enforce-todo-dependencies was set in my .emacs file  
> within a custom-set-variables block which came after some Org  
> require statements. Moving it before the require statements has  
> fixed my problem.
>
> I had read the help for the variable, but thought that it simply  
> meant that any changes to the variable wouldn't take effect until  
> after restarting the org-mode session. It hadn't occurred to me  
> about the order of statements in my .emacs file.

Thats right, this is not explained clearly enough.
I should try to get rid of thee dependencies.

- Carsten

>
> Thanks again.
>
> -- 
> Chris Randle

- Carsten

Re: TODO dependencies and file-level keywords

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>
>> + setting the variable in my .emacs and reloading emacs
>>  (closed and re-run)
>>  does not have effect: I can still change line a
  !!                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Same here, you need to set this variable *before* org.el gets loaded - 
> I am suspecting that you are setting it after?
Is the second line of my .emacs  *before* enough?
  (I wrote in the 2nd line so I can find and remove it easily ;-)
Please, note that the first line is a comment.

> I am curious if, after you fix this, blocking will still not work.
> Please let us know.
=:-\

However as you can see before I wrote: "I can still change line a" !! (sic.)
I confused the blocking order:
I have been thinking that the first line'd have blocked by the following lines,
whereas it is the inverse:
the following line is blocked by the upper line!

Now I managed to make it work correctly. Sorry for the noise.
cheers,
Giovanni