From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id 4J4/I3fhkmOFAAEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:19:19 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id QHFEI3fhkmNZqwAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:19:19 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32A022EBC5 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 08:19:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3Xdj-0008Vr-Lo; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 02:17:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3XdY-0008R9-Im for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 02:17:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3XdX-0007LH-Co; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 02:17:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ySVERv42gNXuYxLpyZ/x5rM9dr8fhfQPCUmfseLDQDM=; b=q5gUDGzalLBR r3VpgToULJtXniInPI5O9LcqKinv/iDj9vdYpyBoNQbT8ABzeLFC/nb+lgR8GxUH51dWS3cYaGpN6 s3RAvCCF1SjN0UHVGQTAIf1LCHZuCo1VpWlq+tMqQ6pydf72UAPzJopPr5aSHwOrjJKlTzy1Lgjct ZNyG0qAmIcpw6aWYMRHX0AdsKCMvEDwdvIJzJas2i5rpUjaHyPvCRzwdpEZxFbHiNhLAggliCMEQ8 3Al9TO9YhcxQmnc2S56m3CjseWCo0XyA93qxLbr6nVKSEPIWv5ngcDbW0F0b2yTdsghzgh7LOPLRk WLAbmoyKifZ+KxSsk+NheA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3XdU-0004nD-5O; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 02:17:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:17:23 +0200 Message-Id: <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: David Masterson Cc: michel@schi.nz, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from David Masterson on Thu, 08 Dec 2022 13:56:03 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1670570357; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=ySVERv42gNXuYxLpyZ/x5rM9dr8fhfQPCUmfseLDQDM=; b=OEDAgHORQJwDva5BW2395aObjaE2P9J3FnbCijnGRV/6E7Y13AbqhyOqNWTe5BFYE3Mj5f gAN8NE+1RjWCaqHaPSfQdUzfFDegTTMGNIrq65+iFpm7L0+Mu4MUJEn9p6F3IhLs4ddBNI RwfU1yU5+/OL9GhFC7hLhAz37D6gBkzg4Y9r6JSF/yzHlKz4aT18w0lCxlo1zVXP35MzsO SYtC5ixQgs9zdnuwDC+EgBEH3+HxgPLX+KhQGLKuln/7IUl98mtk7kN0m2Y3Yn6vmWj8Ab CHj0L4JN5+amJhSQBiZ5cH83zTM8NkgJhhzkj2pKkwckw5Fxz2akNQOkmtWLvA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1670570357; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=iOKtiOX23BRjsHJehMdCcggmwluN+DClrnCisOJVUdqhXv0h5T/+ff1z2ikZgiXtOuenvz aQstKAF4MNMygtXxgiR7deiOS22nfySCFnB5KRoJ9+eQk0Jffn3afvJ3m0pP/ibkjsO4kr YoZO6+op9OtFBLmIWG0edz2ux9VvC1HJ49/EO012JIOzG0fx5rSbcnpPueSMFHOoh5fdAO bQDHttY0Ad4j11Nb/NCe2pxAnQ2vr9WFQlwYfdNDeeAG9fjWa0+hg6FWuUGIStSBAz26eX 9OMrYgzahgXvGdnKb5RtasplClbisNcMnTfNJfj1RiLmvM0WfcrpXj7NtNj9KQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=q5gUDGza; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=q5gUDGza; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 32A022EBC5 X-Spam-Score: -3.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: yNPRXfAebjET > Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org > From: David Masterson > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 13:56:03 -0800 > > In my testing, I found a strange case where, in *scratch*, I get: > > (message "%s" org-version) > ;; Error undefined > ;; Do 'C-h v org-version' > (message "%s" org-version) > 9.3 > > So, 'describe-variable' on org-version causes Org to be loaded?!? Why is it so surprising? Is this the first time you see that a Help command loads something to do its job?