From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml & org-odt to the core Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:56:33 +0530 Message-ID: <81zkizz2vq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <81ei0e6vol.fsf@gmail.com> <81vctn8z98.fsf@gmail.com> <20110824024446.GA30258@panahar> <814o171fb0.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38291) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw7s7-0008Jj-8r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:27:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw7s5-0000c2-Of for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:27:35 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]:50243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qw7s5-0000bv-I0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:27:33 -0400 Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so457881pzk.17 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <814o171fb0.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:12:11 +0530") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Jambunathan K writes: >> It does seem that you are, for now, letting them be within org-mode >> (your other mail). But it would still help if you express your >> apprehensions and discuss them openly on this list. 1. I had a test.org file that I had created for testing the exporter. Now this file was simply thrown away because it seemed it was inappropriate to him. Any caring maintainer would not throw away a fruits of labour without a moment's reflection. Even if he felt that the test.org is in the wrong place, he could always SAVE it in whatever suitable place he deems fit. 2. Look at another interaction where is showing his total lack of awareness of how software development happens. He ignores my suggestion and tops it up with a tangential reply. To add more amusement to the whole thing, the changes were non-backward compatible and broke Orgmode Homepage. This particular amuses me because I have taken enormous pains to maintain backward compatibility in org-xhtml.el changes. ,---- See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-07/msg01294.html | > ps: I would desire that any changes to org-html.el also need to be | > ported to org-lparse.el and (or) org-xhtml.el. | | (Can you take charge of this?) | | This is the main reason why having duplicate code in this area is a | burden. | | I still think our energy will be better spent by progressively adding | things from org-xhtml.el to org-html.el, feature by feature. This is a | lot of (possibly boring) work, but being lazy now will just make it even | more difficult later. | | In any case, working on porting changes from org-html.el to org-xhtml.el | isn't the right direction. | | Let's keep up the good work! `---- 3. I have a body of work queued up for review and he picks up a variable name and comments on it. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-08/msg00735.html I am a professional programmer of 10+ years and in my experience only fresh college graduates pick up the way the variables are named and subject it to serious scrutiny. 4. Sometimes I resent when he indulgently comments on Nicolas Goazious commits. 5. Has anyone noticed this: He commiting a fix and reverting it or he immediately re-fixing a just committed stuff. No this doesn't happen once in a blue moon. Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling seriously short of the role he is expected to play. There is a limit to person's patience. I am pouring all out because he called me "frustrated". Honesly who in his right mind would dare call a serious and committed contributor as "frustrated". I hope after all these discussions he understands once and for all that Lennart Borgman has ZERO code in all the three files org-xhtml.el, org-lparse.el and org-odt.el. I hope he brings some insight in to review process. Jambunathan K.