From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: [BABEL] [PROPOSAL] Seemless editing of Babel Blocks Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:25:40 +0530 Message-ID: <818w3gv7j7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <4C459236.3@gmail.com> <87k4opu5fk.fsf@gmail.com> <81hbivx88y.fsf@gmail.com> <8139ueykvc.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <878w3j1zos.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> <81k4n13mww.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5h9czxf.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47192 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OsD5J-00077y-7N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 07:08:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OsBy0-0003af-T6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:56:54 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:49728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OsBy0-0003X2-JF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:56:52 -0400 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so2095481pzk.0 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:55:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r5h9czxf.fsf@gmail.com> (Eric Schulte's message of "Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:04:03 -0600") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric Schulte Cc: Dan Davison , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --=-=-= Eric > > I've just pushed up an implementation of the functionality described at > the link above, see [1] for examples and details. > > Footnotes: > [1] http://eschulte.github.com/babel-dev/DONE-tangle-entire-org-mode-file-in-comments.html > I have pulled your changes and examined it. Some commets: Comment #1: Org Manual > Org Manual - Section 14.8.2.7 comments > org - Include text from the original org-mode file which preceded the > code block as a comment which precedes the tangled code. I suggest the following wording - "Include text from the org-mode file as a comment. The text is picked from the leading context of the tangled code and is limited by the nearest headline or source block as the case may be." Comment #2: Perceived gaps In my original case, 1. Tangling happens in-place. The source and target buffers are one and the same only their major made changes. i.e., it is destructive. Think of 'replace-region' ... 2. There is no lossage. I can tangle to elisp-mode and untangle it to org-mode without any round-trip losses. With your changes, the following are lost - the 'trailing' text and the 'stars' in the headline. That said, I have upgraded my request to a generic API (see attachment) and I am not too particular about my original use-case (which I agree as 'contrived', 'drastic' and 'one-off') Jambunathan K. Attachments: This for the benefit of the list. I had accidentally unicast the reply. My recent transition to gnus has made me very clumsy. --=-=-= Content-Disposition: inline From: Jambunathan K To: "Eric Schulte" Subject: Re: [BABEL] [PROPOSAL] Seemless editing of Babel Blocks References: <4C459236.3@gmail.com> <87k4opu5fk.fsf@gmail.com> <81hbivx88y.fsf@gmail.com> <8139ueykvc.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <878w3j1zos.fsf@stats.ox.ac.uk> <81k4n13mww.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5h9czxf.fsf@gmail.com> X-Draft-From: ("nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode" 29790) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:28:16 +0530 In-Reply-To: <87r5h9czxf.fsf@gmail.com> (Eric Schulte's message of "Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:04:03 -0600") Message-ID: <81d3ssva6v.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (windows-nt) --text follows this line-- jambu> How about providing user-accessible tapping points within jambu> 'org-babel-map-src-blocks' (or a variation thereof) that would jambu> enable me have a custom command in my .emacs. jambu> jambu> For the sake of record, my suggestion is very closely related to jambu> what is discussed here. jambu> jambu> http://eschulte.github.com/babel-dev/PROPOSED-tangle-entire-org-mode-file-in-comments.html Eric> I've just pushed up an implementation of the functionality Eric> described at the link above, see [1] for examples and details. Eric> Eric> Is this sufficient to satisfy the need you were addressing? If Eric> not how could it be improved? Eric> Footnotes: Eric> [1] http://eschulte.github.com/babel-dev/DONE-tangle-entire-org-mode-file-in-comments.html I am making a request for an API from BABEL core which roughly parallels org's org-map-entries. Using this API a user should be able to 'traverse' babel and non-babel blocks within a given scope (region, buffer), examine the local state (say a tag or a user-defined property on a subtree), provide a verdict on it's inclusion (yes I want it, no skip it) or possibly return a transformed custom content (as a list). 'org-babel-map-src-blocks' has the skeletal structure for this API. All it needs is some minimal tinkering to take on a more user-pluggable form. The proposed API would make UseCase-1 and UseCase-2 possible. UseCase-1: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/28823 Section-6 provides an illustration. Section-5 helps one visualize the essentials of the propsed API. a) org-to-org-src-view => potential consumer of the proposed API. b) beg-org, end-org, beg-babel, end-babel => strategic 'points' of user-interest. c) body, body1 => Hooks for user UseCase-2: Tangling with custom pragmas. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/29805 Additional Note: Thinking out loud here (aka contrived, over-the-top requirement). A user might want to override the in-buffer babel-control parameters while tangling or execution. Think of this scenario, I would like to tangle but with comments and line nos as a one-off (say for circulating to my colleagues). The in-buffer 'static/default' settings suppresses comments. I couldn't be bothered to edit the in-buffer settings just for this one-off case. Is there a possible way I can achieve this? 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