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From: Nicolas Floquet <n@flqt.fr>
To: rjhorniii@gmail.com
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	kaushal.modi@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org,
	Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>,
	32722@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32722:  bug#32722:  bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ?
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 11:54:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8005c4dacdc337b587ce8856bfc193bdffaeb99b.camel__14027.2495373667$1537783608$gmane$org@flqt.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3tvmm4v8m.fsf@panix.com>

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Hello,

Le mardi 18 septembre 2018 à 12:37 -0400, Robert Horn a écrit :
> Perhaps you could clarify the ethical issues.


I apologise: 
   1. first, to have sent you a badly edited bug report,
   2. second, the late sending of this clarification email.

This can be explained by

* My own difficulty to use the English language (on this point, I have
asked a translator friend of mine to translate my words. What you are
now reading is the fruit of her work)

* The difficulty to convey the issue arisen by GitHub (as a proprietary
tool) in the Free Software movement. (This issue has already been
brought up for instance in 2010 by B Mako Hill: 
https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html here translated in French 

https://framablog.org/2010/09/08/logiciels-libres-mais-outils-non-libres/
 ).

GitHub, as a platform based on proprietary software is a trap for the
developers who use it, particularly because they get into work habits
that tie them to one only service provider on the Internet, which is
contrary to the very principle of Internet, centre-less network. Yet
getting the Internet recentralised would have harmful consequences as
much ethically as technically.

Therefore, in explaining to its own users to seek some coding on
GitHub, or any other non-ethical platform, Emacs "prescribes" the
following message to its users: "GitHub? Meh... just some non-open
JavaScript" … Download on GitHub, code on GitHub! No, don't fuss over
it! Incidentally, programmers of free alternatives to GitHub are cool
but their work is not very important."
 

Last one more word about those worried by the loss of visibility of
their work by having to leave GitHub. May they know that several
software forge projects from now on are getting interested in the
ActivityPub protocol, which will allow the launching of connected
forges into a federation.

Thank you for having read on.


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      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-24 10:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-13  3:35 ` bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <83zhwmlnst.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-13  7:33   ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found] ` <E1g0IPY-000465-4I@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:26   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]   ` <tqd0thctb6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:36     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` bug#32722: " Samuel Wales
2018-09-14  2:55       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <E1g0eGJ-0002Ws-Gt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-14  6:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 12:30           ` Adam Porter
2018-09-17 20:21             ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 13:12               ` Bernt Hansen
     [not found]         ` <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18  9:37           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-18 11:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:21               ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 14:49                 ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]             ` <83zhwff2k8.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 12:14               ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-19  3:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:43             ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]             ` <dbc243f2281e5b97b59d543f8e29559b1ffdc38f.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-18 16:37               ` bug#32722: " Robert Horn
2018-09-19  3:41               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19 12:29                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                 ` <87h8ilfz6o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20  1:50                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                   ` <E1g2o6s-0008PG-JL@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20 12:40                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 12:59                     ` Bingo UV
2018-09-21  2:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-21 19:21                         ` bug#32722: bug#32722: " Leslie Watter
     [not found]                         ` <CAKoz4gnvbc1tTGW57c_7cVN0gF2KrgAjYRT+kwp29fMOYX3RCA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-23  1:38                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <E1g3tLf-0003Es-KN@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-29 14:53                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                             ` <87mus0z773.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-29 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <83in2o5oi3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 18:33                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-29 18:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                   ` <83ftxs5dvw.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 23:35                                     ` bug#32722: " Kyle Meyer
2018-09-30 11:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                       ` <83y3bj43d8.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-24  8:03                                         ` bug#32722: [O] " Bastien
2018-09-30  9:27                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-10-22  9:39                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87r2giz5ey.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 11:07                                   ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]                                   ` <871s8is0i6.fsf@gmx.de>
2018-10-22 13:17                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                     ` <87worggx5b.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 14:31                       ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]               ` <m3tvmm4v8m.fsf@panix.com>
2018-09-18 16:53                 ` bug#32722: " Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <83efdqg32d.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 18:53                   ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-18 20:41                   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]                   ` <vain32bksv.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-18 21:07                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <87lg7yfraw.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-18 22:08                       ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
2018-09-19 21:16                         ` bug#32722: " Kaushal Modi
2018-09-20  1:54                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <E1g2oAo-0000ao-2k@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 10:43                             ` bug#32722: " Joe Corneli
     [not found]                             ` <CAN+qofnbqV8MT0wmKNokXv0S8f9PnXcpK1RdsH-8Zb2i8ckNPw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-21  2:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-21 10:22                                 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found]                                 ` <m2zhwbup3a.fsf@dhcp-90-218.inf.ed.ac.uk>
2018-09-22  1:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-20  5:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <83h8ikenbc.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  8:13                             ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-20 19:17                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 23:17                               ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21  0:39                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-21  1:54                                   ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21 21:30                                     ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]                             ` <87in30geqo.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <835zyzevvt.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-10-22 13:13                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87d0s2yvi4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 13:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-19  3:39                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20  5:21                         ` Adam Porter
     [not found]                       ` <831s9qezqo.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20 17:42                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                         ` <87muscgj51.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-21  2:18                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <E1g2TLB-000734-Os@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-19  7:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <83zhwedl2v.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  1:50                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <E1g2o79-0008S6-UV@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <83lg7wer1z.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-21  2:18                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                             ` <E1g3B16-0004U1-2g@fencepost.gnu.org>
2019-05-16 15:16                               ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                               ` <c20679912a5c2644bf6e62a65b7c4da118d988f5.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-05-16 15:25                                 ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                                 ` <3554abc2df1167f5b052b021670bbd09fae6dd6f.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-06-09 16:54                                   ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
     [not found]                   ` <20180918205329.2e12c16f@happy.intern.roklein.de>
2018-09-18 18:57                     ` bug#32722: bug#32722: " Kaushal Modi
2018-09-18 19:29                       ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-19  3:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-25 23:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:40                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-24  9:54                 ` Nicolas Floquet [this message]

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