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I agree that it's useful to distinguish the files/syntax from the *mode*, which contains many functions for doing things with those files. For what it's worth (perhaps not much), I've always referred to the syntax/file format as simply "Org"; for example, "I put my notes into an Org file." This is by analogy with most of the other Emacs major modes for editing files. I write Python in `python-mode', I write C++ in `c++-mode', I write text files in `text-mode', and so on. Maybe "Org" isn't distinct enough though. People unfamiliar with Org-Mode might confuse "Org" with "org charts" or some other use of the word. Still, if we look to other tools that can read the same files as Org-Mode, they tend to be called things like "Organice", not "Orgmodeanice". :) - Jim