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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tom Gillespie , Kyle Meyer , Emacs-orgmode , Org-Mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.20 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=isnotmyreal.name header.s=default header.b=SxgPhv3k; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E65399400BF X-Spam-Score: 0.20 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 1qukR8DeHr0j On 2020-11-29 17:08, daniela-spit@gmx.it wrote: > > Yes, there are problems with the documentation. I noticed recently > that > some guy criticised the manual, and so many got super defensive. You > should > give him a medal for telling you how things are. I guess in my mind, complaining about the manual, to a bunch of volunteers and fellow users, is probably on the pretty unhelpful end of the scale. Making constructive criticism is then slightly better, at least you are not deriding (mostly volunteer) people's work and effort. Although not by much, as this still does not require too much effort. However submitting a patch with an improvement to the documentation is quite valuable. Pretty much on the opposite end of the scale in fact. And thus, only this level of contribution "deserves a medal" as far as I am concerned. I was not privy to particulars of conversation you mention, although I have seen this sort of entitled attitude often enough in F/LOSS to have somewhat of an idea of how it might have played out. Entitled users becoming demanding of things they expect (for free, no less) is not just a drag, it's the cancer that slowly kills F/LOSS projects. As eventually actually valuable contributors (maintainers, devs, etc.) have had enough of it, get burnt out and leave the project. I have seen it far too many times over the years. So I imagine what you witnessed was a sort of natural defense mechanism, protecting the overall health of the community and project by having a strong reaction to such negative attitudes. Cheers, TRS-80