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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=default; t=1586185478; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=f1EGj0Uyfx3ozAEyX3lc1CPLonkeKw5EQINU0+3XqaA=; b=PifiN3g+XXBkpo+Fb9eJKvvksnufU3DLfp6ZuwIamVG7Tr8SdkcKjXKxt7H6xkkB6/m51/ J0NNa9WsPSIDTAJOc80lK+fMA7g7BT/tFpYMEw0pB83d/hgBzMzzVyG99XYvxvRt45ZGG6 B3W9uN3ydNd2Wj29QFo5gDFW6ZIgP/8= ARC-Seal: i=1; s=default; d=yhetil.org; t=1586185478; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=kjzMO4eVcEaUfYm/1+zOyBfP3xQBdYKzcQlIrdYIGj2ANQF5xuRZ6uyEbau5UBvjYQ6iBc gaKuDaXpE1VQqqy2ik67TG3dLdRZ1Gbj+jr4Q4RAaxlBT/sonm34zE2CMaWzdgEv8Sc1kg fh0keWU5ZUmiMT0Qa3gP4Oe/Ob3eejg= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.01 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.5837606829496]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.33), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[Heiko.Schmidt@webbedtables.de,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[emacs-orgmode@gnu.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[webbedtables.de]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: ixDjKyMbbWzR On 06.04.20 12:13, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > Effort property accepts a specific, and well defined type of value: > a duration. Such values cannot be negative, as explained in the error > message. > > You may, however, use a different property for your use-case, and apply > column view on it. > > Regards, > This is exactly the reason why I'd love to have negative values for the durations. It would open the possibility of doing something like "accounting" of time. I'm working with self defined duration units and it would be of great value to be able to calculate the balance for planned and done work time. I don't use clocking. What'd be wrong about having -0:30 h, -30 min, -2.5 h, -3 d or -3 m? It'd be an addition no change so there would hoefully be no incompatibilities. Maybe even 3m -3d be or -3m 3d could be of use. As I see there is org-duration.el - Have the changes to be made only there? Best Regards