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[66.111.4.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t74sm629684qka.21.2020.05.19.16.23.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 May 2020 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8273527C0054 for ; Tue, 19 May 2020 19:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap1 ([10.202.2.51]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 19 May 2020 19:23:07 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedruddtkedgvddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedflfgrmhgvshcutfcuofhilhhlvghrfdcuoehjrghmvghs rdhrhihlrghnugdrmhhilhhlvghrsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrh hnpeffgfelgfevteejledttdefvddvtdevgeeftefhjeffgfeggefgheevheegtdfggfen ucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjrhhmod hmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdeigeeludduieegkedqudeiledu feejjeeiqdhjrghmvghsrdhrhihlrghnugdrmhhilhhlvghrpeepghhmrghilhdrtghomh esthhgrhhpghdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 36405C200A4; Tue, 19 May 2020 19:23:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-dev0-464-g810d66a-fmstable-20200518v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <6bc12cfc-b55c-429e-8e50-59769fb51023@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20200519165720.GQ30250@volibear> <20200519172941.GR30250@volibear> <91d36855-ff5d-46cf-91b8-2621fb5cfcab@www.fastmail.com> <20200519194833.GS30250@volibear> Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:22:46 -0500 From: "James R Miller" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: issue tracker? Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c; envelope-from=james.ryland.miller@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x72c.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Vv94vK9R; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.30 X-TUID: g1jCMzCc4mcA > This idea that the tools used by a potential contributor are inadequate > misses the point. If the intention is to keep a project going, or better > yet increase the number of contributors, tools have to be used that will > be convenient and familiar to those thinking about contributing. > > For better or worse, the workflows embodied by Github and Gitlab are > familiar to the current generation of potential contributors upon which > sustaining a project will depend. > > Holding up the 'Linux uses email for development and thus any project > doing similar is right' fails to recognize the peculiar nature of the > Linux kernel (and its developers) and neglects the thousands of projects > that have increased their visibility and participation by using tools > such as Github. I agree that Github/Gitlab may not be the best choice > owing to their stance or implementation related to software freedom, but > an honest discussion of alternatives seems prudent. This is the point I am trying to (un-eloquently) make. I'm seeing a bunch of younger coders interested in emacs (mostly spacemacs and doom); but, they get frustrated with the ancient (to them) dev practices. I'm not advocating any rash decisions; simply, whether the project would benefit from incorporating some sort of simple issue tracker, so that new contributors could readily see open tasks / issues / submit bug reports. My biggest issue with a ML only approach is that it's not easy to see what's an open issue unless you spend a long time searching and reading the ML. And I feel that that time could be better spent learning the code base instead of reading the ML. -- James Miller james.ryland.miller@gmail.com